What is up? How are y'all doing? It's Friday and welcome to the WAN Show. We've got a great
show lined up for you guys today. We're going to be talking about the cease and desist that
Lenovo issued to Framework, the laptop company that I invested in, over their power button.
We will also be talking about the potential upcoming branding for LTT Labs. Spoiler alert,
it is not going to be LTT Labs. Otherwise, I just spoiled it. So alert, I have not spoiled
it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's good. John Deere tractor used to run Doom because we are slowly
reducing the amount of things in the world that can't run Doom. No, it's a bigger story
than that, Luke, but we'll talk about it later. No, it is actually very cool. Also, trust
me, bro. Oh no, you're really making that a headline topic. I was going to try and slip
it in somewhere. Okay, sure. Sweaters. The metaverse is awful. Chill harder, Luke. Chill
harder. The show is brought to you today by Squarespace, XSplit, and Secret Lab. And no,
it's not Secret Lab. They make chairs. Our lab will be a different lab. Yeah. Let's jump
right into our first topic. I admit, I debated you guys a little bit. I actually agree with
Lenovo. This was, this was a thing that had to happen. Well, okay, I guess I didn't, but
the implication might be that I'm like mad about it, but there's nothing to really be
mad about. It looks pretty innocent. It doesn't look like it was something they planned to
do. It looks like a very reasonable design. If you're making a plastic thing that needs
to continue working and also needs to be moved. Yup. Obviously it's not their logo because
you can't 3D print their logo without the centerpiece falling through. But the reason
that Lenovo came after them, Framework tweeted about it, is that the resemblance of Framework's
power button on their first party 3D printed case to the Lenovo O Legion design is unmistakable
. That's what we call in the biz and oops, my bad. Yeah. And they're, and they're already
working on it. They, they asked for like community contests, which is a kind of a cool idea where
people can submit designs and whoever can come up with the best design is going to get
a free I5 1135 G7 mainboard, which is cool. It was noted by a forum member mid-core that
Lenovo's gamingly, uh, O Legion gaming logo used to actually look like this, but that's
the one I can remember. It bore a lot of resemblance to the Mercedes-Benz logo. So as it turns out,
there's just not a whole lot more ways that you can put some things through or on a circle
actually. Oh, am I, I'm wearing it right now. I happen to be wearing our case shirt design
that has been pointed out to me. It looks an awful lot like the Renault logo. Oh, you
know what? Yeah. Not intentional, no association whatsoever. It just happens to be a, what
is it? Isometric view of a box. It's it's a computer case. It wasn't the intention,
but that's what, that's what happens. And given the fact that Lenovo and framework do
exist within the same space, they both make laptops. Say for example, I can understand
why Lenovo, whether they wanted to or not had to point out that their trademark was
kind of being infringed and you guys really need to make a slightly different looking
power button. So as much as, as much as I don't think anyone wanted this to happen,
I actually agree with Lenovo's cease and desist. Clearly framework isn't too salty about it
either. So they are figuring this out. Now our discussion topic here from Adam from our
writing team is why do companies waste time and money on things like this? And the really
sort of have to, the reason is that they actually have to, if they want to keep their trademark,
then they have to uphold their trademark and they have to go after anyone who is illegitimately
using their trademark. And this isn't one of those things where Lenovo tried to trademark
an actual circle or, you know, putting the letter I in a word. This is this very clearly
a logo design and very clearly looked pretty much identical to the one that framework was
using for the power button. I do agree with all of that. It is a little annoying because
like I said earlier, that design is very logical for making like a piece of plastic that would
depress down into a button. Yes. So it wasn't like a logo on the product. Yeah. It was a
literally just a functional piece. Um, so that, that part is pretty annoying to me,
but I do agree with the things that Linus said. Uh, you can use it in, in court cases.
You can say like, Oh, well they haven't defended this before. So there was precedent set that
they wouldn't defend this in the future. And people have won cases based off that. Yeah.
So you actually do need to like defend these things. It's just, again, like this, I could
see this being annoying for 3d printers that are trying to commercialize certain products.
Oh, for sure. But then again, if you're not trying to make an enclosure for a laptop motherboard,
maybe they won't go out, then they probably don't have to defend it because you, uh, it's
enough removed. I believe we're getting into things that we don't necessarily, uh, dabble
with too much. I'm not an expert, but I do know enough to know that they, they do actually
need to go after this. Yeah. In other news, Apple has restricted their ad tracking or
app. I'm sorry. Apple restricted ad tracking. Yes, but not necessarily their own. That's
the whole, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's the whole point. You know what? Fine. Why
don't you do it then? Uh, in, in, uh, Mark Gurman, hopefully I said that right. Predicts
that Apple is going to significantly expand its own advertising business. And I was told
by Riley that if this guy says something like that, it's like going to be a thing. So apparently
this is not, this is like technically a rumor, but also not really. This is hilarious. This
is, this is much more notable because of other recent actions that they have partaken. Uh,
they implemented app tracking transparency that requires developers to implement a pop-up
asking users if they can track them outside of the app, but it doesn't do that for their
own apps. That's hilarious. Because those are first party apps with first party tracking
that apparently does not need the pop-up. I am not an Apple user. It is unclear to me
if when you are first setting up an iPhone, does it ask you if it is okay to track or
not? Cause that to me completely changes this situation. Okay, well why don't you keep talking
about it while I go get an iPhone and wipe it? Okay, cool. Yeah. Um, cause to, to me
basically if just like on windows, right, when you're first setting up windows, it asks
you a bunch of different things about how, uh, like, Oh, can you, can we take diagnostic
data when we're going to take it anyways, but can we take advanced diagnostic data or
can we just only take basic diagnostic data, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera,
all the way through the setup. If it's similar to that, if Apple says, can we track you for
advertising reasons, whatever, uh, when you're first setting up your, your iPhone, then this
isn't a big deal to me personally. I understand other people might disagree. Um, but if they
don't ask you on initial phone setup and then they also don't ask you for individual apps,
then that's a little bit scummy. Um, apparently when Apple first implemented their app tracking
transparency system, um, Apple's own ad sales tripled. Um, while third party app companies
like Facebook and Snapchat had their ad sales dropped by 13%, which is like massive when
in some cases that's like pretty much your entire business. Um, Apple does sell ads on
some of its platforms. Apparently they are planning on expanding this potentially. Um,
Apple sells ads on Apple news, stocks, TV plus sports, and, uh, inside the app store.
Apparently developers complained with the app store because they have to pay to get
the top search result for their app title. Um, but that's a problem with Google and everything
else as well. It's almost like monopolies are bad. Yeah. It's just almost all very negative
way, but sort of how it works. Oh man, this is great. It's just, it's so I, the thing
that drives me crazy about Apple is not that they are any more evil than any other gigantic
member of a monopoly, duopoly or oligopoly or what, you know, wow, whatever. Basically
any, any other company that exists within a, a highly consolidated vertical. No, they're,
they're honestly, they're not really any worse, but what they are is hypocritical. What they
are is arrogant and what they are is smug. And so they'll sit here and wax philosophical
about all the ways that we could protect the environment and do better and you know, whatever.
And then it comes out that, you know, Oh, their big idea here is that we'll stop shipping
chargers with our phones. No, that's a cost saving measure. That's a cost saving measure
and clever marketing for it. You never cared about the environment even one bit that nothing
to do with the decision. And it's the same thing here. Apple will talk endlessly about
how much they care about user privacy and then they will go and put all their Chinese
users data in a data center that is quite literally owned by the CCP. I'm sorry. Do
you, Oh, so you care about your users data as long as your users aren't that color. Okay,
sure. Apple. Good job. You care about all this advertising tracking until it's your
ad. Good job. Well, maybe. So it's, so it's fine. I guess you're not there. You're not
really doing anything any worse than anyone else probably, but you just are constantly
engaging in this double speak about it. Just say, yeah, fuck you. We're going to take all
your data. Like, okay, fine. Unless they're not. Okay. So here it is. Which we need to
figure out. Yeah. Okay. All right. So Luke is going to set up an iPhone for probably
the first time. No. Really? Had to for fault play. We have an iOS app. Oh boy. I don't
know. Do you want to, you want to tell us, tell us about it. Oh, in the meantime, I should
probably tell you guys what's new on the store because we have like four topics for the show
today. We got like nothing. So if there's anything you guys want to hear us discuss,
now's a really good time to send in a merge message and maybe we can, maybe we can go
have a look at what it is. Talk about it on the show. I don't know what happened to the
doctors. We know this, uh, crap. What's the wifi password? Oh, balls. Uh, I will, I will
look it up. Okay. You know what? No, I'm going to, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You look it up.
I'm going to, I'm going to show off what's new on the, on the store here. Holy crap.
We have a lot of stuff that's new this week. Oh, okay. I will go ahead and screen share
with y'all. Here we go. The RGB hoodie is here. You probably didn't even notice yet,
but I am actually wearing this hoodie. It doesn't show up on camera very well, but it
has these fun little color flex. It's called a multi-nip where they, uh, they, they weave
in these little colored little bits of, of other colors. I'm not describing it very well.
You know, what's easier is probably just going onto the product page and showing you guys
what it looks like. So there you go up close. It kind of looks like that. So it adds just
a little bit of fun into a, an otherwise just comfortable stretchy gray hoodie. Uh, another
fun thing is that it actually comes with, I think, Ooh, does it not? Okay. I don't know.
I'm not going to, I'm not going to say anything then. Okay. So that's it. Subtle stealthy
branding down on the kangaroo pocket. Uh, yeah, I think. Nope. It doesn't look like
it. Uh, what the, I don't, Oh man, come on. Okay. Apparently I have to look up the wifi.
So anyway, if you guys want to pick up an RGB hoodie, we've got those live on the store.
Awesome. My, my favorite shirt so far is the, the white, uh, I think it's just called multi-nip.
Uh, but that one, it looks super great. I know right now on camera from there, you can't
see it so much. Um, but it looks really, really cool. And it's nice, nice that it isn't just
like random paint that was like tossed on it. It's actually little bits of fabric. Um,
so it like feels cool. It looks great. I really liked the, the rainbow neck thing. That's
all on the shirt as well, but you don't see that on the sweater. You can see for him,
it's mostly hidden. Um, but for me, because I have mine completely open, it kind of lays
out on the side and looks kind of cool. Yeah. I like it a lot. These are like our favorite.
When we got the shirts, I was like, man, I hope we have a gray shirt. I didn't quite
get a gray shirt, but I got a gray sweater. Pretty sweet. We're getting there. We're getting
there. Uh, in other news, we finally have it. It finally happened. The Lambo edition
of the LTT water bottle is here. I don't have any notes on it and I don't even know where
to find it on the store. Linus is right in front of you. No, I mean, no, I, I can see
the water bottles. I just don't know where it is on the store. I don't know where people
can buy it. It's probably just on the water bottle with its own color thing. No, it's
not. It's not. So I don't, uh, Oh, it's gray. Why would it be gray? Okay. Well the Lambo
edition bottle is here. Nice. Um, okay. It's gray. So good luck finding it. If you didn't
happen to watch the segment of the show, we'll need to change that. So the color looks very
different in person than it does in the photos. Hopefully that's just a display calibration
thing for me, but it's more of a dark green, less of like a, like a neon green. So hopefully
you guys don't end up, um, thinking that it's a different green or whatever. Uh, how's that?
How's that set up? Oh, you're on data and privacy now. Okay. This icon appears when
an Apple feature asks you to use your personal information. You won't see this with every
feature since Apple collects this information only when needed to enable features, secure
our services or personalize your experience. There it is. There's the juicy one. That's
the good one. Apple believes privacy is a fundamental human right. So every Apple product
is designed to minimize the collection and use of your data. Use on device processing
wherever possible and provide transparency and control over your information. There's
a learn more. Continue. We're going to continue face ID set up later. Great passcode. You're
just going to wipe it again anyways. Yeah, but use one that I will know. You just, yeah,
yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Please change. Okay. Thanks. Cool. Cause I would never guess
that. Yeah. I'm trying to think of this one. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, cool. Oh man. So honestly doesn't look great. Seems like
Apple is basically just doing their, their usual rules for the, and not for me. I haven't
even got there yet. Well, I mean it was right there. They basically said, yeah, we're not
going to collect it except when we need it to personalize your experience. Personalize
your experiences, just marketing speak, business speak for collect your data and serve you.
People in chat told me that there's an option, but now I need like an Apple ID to keep going
and stuff. This is just going to turn into a whole thing. Okay. I have one, but there's
like, no shot. I remember the password. Yeah, I know mine, but yeah. Is that it for the
store stuff? Did you talk about the discount? No, there's a discount. There is a discount.
There's a discount. If we're a limited time, you can buy a swacket and get a scarf for
50% off automatically applied to checkout. Just add both to cart. There you go. The screw
driver warranty will be available next week if you're interested. We'll go over that in
a bit more detail later. Yeah, there you go. No more information. That's all you get. Other
than that, I think it's just things that we'll talk about more later. If I can do another
topic right now. I don't know if you've seen this, but the text message service they're
calling the metaverse looks awful. Have you seen this Colton? I did. It looked terrible.
It's actually stunning. I thought it was a joke. I saw it many times and I thought that
just some YouTuber or TikTok person or something made a fake image and people were like, that's
funny and kept pushing it around. And then only when I sat down here did I realize that
it was actually real and actually sent out by the Mark himself. But yeah, let's get this
on screen. Just right now. So this is an actual message from Mark Zuckerberg. I thought this
was a joke. Exactly. I thought this was like a Wii. Apparently no. Apparently this is horizon
worlds. We're launching horizon worlds in France and Spain today. So it initially launched
in like, I think it was Canada, the US and UK. Does he just like have a secret desire
to be a V tuber and the meta building the metaverse? There's no way because V tubers
look way better. They are way beyond this. Like V tubers are in a completely different
world than this Photoshop. No, this is paint like, or like maybe they filled colored cells
in Excel or something. This is like pretty much the worst thing I've ever seen. It was
pointed out by, I believe Plouffe wrote this topic, that horizon worlds, a free VR game
published by meta was released in December 9th, 2021. It has an 18 plus age restriction.
It was initially released yeah, in Canada, the US and UK, and it has 300,000 users as
of February second life, a game released in 2003, initially has 900,000 active users now.
Apparently this has been updated. It's somehow worse that, you know, there's this like whole
joke that he like, people say that he looks like a lizard or he looks possessed or something
that doesn't help. Yeah. The eyes. I don't think there's a soul behind them. Also the
game's already out. So that was a screenshot from the game. So they can't really like make
it much better. Just like that. Like they, they, there's some message that he sent out
apparently about how they're going to be like working on it and improving it. Yeah, of course
it is not rated very well, but I can't tell if it's just being review bombed because it's
Facebook. Yeah. Yeah. I can't stop looking at this. It's just such a joke. Oh my goodness.
So he's digitally selfing in front of a monument that looks awful and he looks awful. And the
other monument behind it looks awful. And the grass looks so amateur and what I think
are potentially trees on a mountain look awful, but I have no idea what they even are. Yeah.
It's it's it's horrible. The discussion question is how is he so proud of something that looks
so bad? Is he genuinely clueless? Has he never played a video game before? Even VR chat looks
way better than this. Yeah. I honestly don't know. Uh, I've been wondering that for quite
a while. There are other Oculus first party apps that look wildly better. Like the home.
Yeah. That's been out for like ever. Oh yeah. Astronomically better than this. So like,
it's not like they're not capable of more. The beat saber avatars are like on par. Oh,
and they're not even trying. Yeah. Are you talking about the, Oh no, you're not. Okay.
No, no, no. That's a different thing. Okay. I was thinking about the like avatar that
you use when you have the like, no, no, no. That's okay. So that's, um, Oh, Oh, V, VR
me or something like that. VR me. I've ready player, ready player me. Yeah. You can create,
you can create an avatar of yourself at this level of quality in like minutes here. Choose
your body type. Take a photo. A lot. We're going to, we're going to go through the process.
I'm going to make, yeah, I'm going to make a better avatar than Mark Zuckerberg with
his billions of dollars in metaverse funding. And I'm going to do it on this crappy webcam.
One moment please. Oh, Oh no, I should pick a file. I should pick a file background to
hold on. That's a good idea. So that, that updated picture that you posted, there's also
an updated like a landscape and architecture textures, models, meshes, whatever you want
to call it. Picture. Um, they, they got posted on Instagram. I have that post from Zuck himself.
But we'll, we'll show that after. Oh, perfect. So good. Here we go. It's the widest chin.
Um, okay. Yes, that is Linus. It's perfect. I've never seen anything that looks more like
Linus before. Uh, I mean it's not great. Here, let's just, we'll give him a beard. It's cause
it's using generic, like pre-made. You know what? You know what? Not bad. It's okay. Better
than better than using canned like model things. Okay. So you can go to my screen. These are,
these are the updated ones. This is so scary. Okay. It is world's better than the thing
on the left. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. World's better. And I would say this looks more like James
than like me, but this also doesn't look, yeah, it's okay. It's Mark. It's Mark. But
he also has a very distinctive, gigantic forehead and very short haircut. So hard to say. Hard
to say either way. The fact that this was just a simple little like character creator
thing. Um, that can be put into VR to be clear. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, uh,
this is what I used to create the model that I use for a full body streaming beat saber.
And it was this simple. I'm going to show my screen real quick. So this bottom one,
which I'll raise up so it gets above our camera. This is the like landscape architecture textures
thing that I was mentioning. So that looks wildly better than what it looked like in
the picture. And I would say while this still doesn't look like necessarily that great,
there's an art style going on here and it is wildly better than the previous one. The
thing that I don't understand is I can't go back. Oh no. Oh no. Can I help you? Oh, okay.
There we go. Um, the thing that I don't understand is why you would like, don't talk about that
first one that shouldn't be released and that should never be seen publicly. Like that is
trash. The second one looks like it could be pretty good. Like I could with, with the
art style and whatnot that's going on with this model thing, I think people could accomplish
things that look pretty good. And with the architecture and textures and whatnot in the
lower picture, I, yeah. So when someone's one of the comments, I actually completely
agree with this. One of the comments says, wait a minute, that screenshot is from a modded
copy of Skyrim. I don't think that's like true. Um, but it actually, it looks like it
is. Um, but for a VR game, you know what, like it's whatever, but yeah, that first picture
is just so incredibly bad that I can't believe it was ever allowed to be viewed publicly.
Yeah. Very interesting. Okay. Uh, why don't we jump into a couple of
merge messages just so that people can, uh, instead of guys, remember, don't send super
chats or bits on Twitch or whatever else. I'm not like being like, Oh, reverse psychology.
You should definitely send, don't do, do not send them. Uh, if you want to, if you want
to interact with the show, it's far better to pick something up on lttstore.com whenever
we're live, you'll see a field in the checkout that'll prompt you to send a merge message
that will go through to our producer Colton today. And he will, uh, either have it pop
up on the screen down below or he will curate it so that we can address it later. So if
you have any suggestions for topics you want us to talk about, that is the best way to
send them to us. I know that it requires money, but at least unlike a super chat, you actually
get something cool in the mail after spending your money, even if we don't happen to address
your topic. That's why we don't recommend the super chats. Is it just the value is the
value of merge messages much higher. Yeah. Cause like you get like a hoodie or like a,
you know, some hair scrunchies or whatever else it is that you happen to need. Sure.
All right. This first one comes from Tommy and it's probably for Linus, uh, watched for
almost 10 years and you've taught me the principles that shaped who I am today. That's so sweet.
What are some important lessons you teach your kids? Oh, run with scissors. No, that's
bad Luke. Yeah. Who taught you that? It wasn't me. Um, man, I don't, I don't know. I guess
there's like, there's a few things that I am super hardline about. Like one of the things
that I will say to my kids constantly is nothing worth doing is easy. Uh, whenever they complain
that something takes a long time or as hard, I'll basically just like, it's like, it's
one of my stereotypical dad responses like, yeah, well if it was easy, it wouldn't be
worth doing so good thing it isn't cause otherwise you're wasting your time like that. That's
sort of the, the, the rationale. If it's easy, anyone can do it. So if it's hard, then you
know, put your head down and get at it. Um, embrace the suck. Yeah. Another big one is
manners cost nothing. I don't actually phrase it that way, but I am an absolute Nazi when
it comes to please thank you. Excuse me. I have witnessed this. Yeah. I'm, I'm like brutal
when it comes to that stuff. I will, I will, I will pretend my kids don't exist if I do
not hear please. Uh, you know, even like men, they'll be like hurt and crying and want me
to pick them up and I'll be like, Oh my, Oh, for real though that I haven't witnessed for
real though. And the reason for it is that it costs nothing and means everything to other
people. So for me, it's less about the actual words and it's more about taking that fraction
of a second to be appreciative or be grateful or acknowledge that you've done something
that you, you shouldn't have or, or whatever it is. And it costs absolutely nothing and
makes you a more pleasant human being to interact with. So, um, so that, that's a big one. It's
just, it's, it's just part of the overall, just be respectful to other people. Um, I
don't know. I mean, there's just, there's not much other than just like, don't be a
jackass, I guess. Um, the old, the wise words of bill and Ted. Yeah. Yeah. Be excellent
to each other. Right? Like it's a, Oh, I mean one that I harp on a lot, I guess is your
siblings for life. Figure it out. Um, you know, we don't really, we don't really tolerate
them speaking to each other disrespectfully. Um, like if they, Oh, a wining is another
one. So if they, if they whine about anything, you know, one of my big ones is like, what's
the purpose of what you just said? Will it make this faster? No. Okay. Will it make us
all more comfortable? No. Okay. Well then stop. Um, and it's, I don't know. My kids
are amazing. Cause that kind of stuff actually works and it definitely wouldn't have worked
on me. I was awful. Like you couldn't go to a restaurant with me. I was like bouncing
off the walls. Like that makes sense. Yeah. Thanks for that. No problem. I've been around
Linus's kids. They're very well behaved. They are so kudos. All right. Next one comes from
McGregor. Um, and they say, he says, they say he, hi Linus. I work for a T-Mobile dealer
and was wondering if you've ever thought about doing a video like secret shopper, but for
self service providers instead of PC retailers, we'd love to. The problem is that there are
so many facets to a service provider that are, uh, device specific. I want it to region
specific. Sorry. I wanted to rage at tell us last show. Yeah. Yeah. I mean there's like,
I still think they're the best option locally for internet because of Shaw's whole fake
fiber thing and stuff. It was, yeah. I've had good experiences. I've had bad experience
with every telco. I just, when your company's that big too, it's the, the chance you get
someone really good versus the chance you get someone really high is there's like such
a huge pool of people that that could land on. I don't know. Yeah. It's tough. All right.
Next question comes from top sponge. Hey Linus, do the writers have any kind of partial ownership
of the channel they focus on? For example, does Jonathan have partial ownership and Mac
address Riley tech linked, et cetera? If not, is that something you'd ever consider? That's
a good question right now. All the IP is held by Linus media group incorporated. Um, I think
that, Oh yeah, it's a, it's, it's honestly a bigger debate than one that we can really
have here on this show. You know, I think you're getting into kind of like a, um, uh,
uh, uh, man, what's the, what's the term I'm looking for? Basically it's like a capitalist
versus more communist type of philosophy. Right. So, uh, ownership of the means of production.
Right. So yeah, cause I don't think you can stop at the writers because what if there's
a writer that's ridiculous, what if the writer is, doesn't host, uh, why the, why don't the
editors and shooters have anything in this, et cetera, et cetera. Like what about logistics?
Why don't they own some of the channel? So, um, you know, our, our approach up until now
has been that, you know, no, we pay, we pay well. Um, if you were to, I think that if
you were to come in with some kind of asset and that was part of the, the deal of, of
bringing you into the company, like let's say for example, we were to, okay, here, I'll
use UFD since he actually did an April fool's joke that we acquired him. So if we were to,
if we were to hire Brett, then as part of that deal, I might say, Hey Brett, we also
want to acquire your channel. Um, you know, he might come back to me and say, well, I
would be comfortable selling a, a portion of the channel, but I'd like to retain, let's
say a 25% stake. So in the event that you were to ever sell that asset, I would get
part of the payout, right? That might be part of the conversation that we had about it.
But because that asset was created from the ground up using Linus media group resources,
no, there, there is no ownership stake from the channel writer. You know, Jonathan Horst,
for example, didn't even work here yet when we conceptualized starting up that channel.
Um, you know, he didn't work on, say, for example, the art assets. So where's, where's
Sarah's take, right? So, um, no, everyone was working as an employee here at the company
and the asset is owned by the company, not even me personally. And I know that that's
a distinction that won't matter to a lot of you, but legally it does.
All right. I got another one. This one comes from Randall. What phone is your favorite
of all phones you've used as your daily driver?
I'm going to get Luke to go first because I think he hates all of them. And that's funny
of all time. Is that so? Like, yeah, I think so. So in that moment in time, uh, I'm trying
to remember the name of it. It was Samsung galaxy S3. Is that right way of saying that
the one that had the removable back and battery.
Yeah. I think the S3 had a removable back. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I loved that phone. It felt
indestructible. I remember multiple times dropping it and it would just explode every
single time. The back would go flying in one direction. The battery would go flying in
another direction. The phone itself would skid somewhere else. Uh, and then it would
be fine every single time. Um, there was one time where I was running at school and I jumped
over a fence and it was in my like sweater pocket. So I already decently tall and then
I jumped and then it went flying up out. So it got some like air and whacked into, uh,
uh, like concrete and blew up everywhere. And I put it back together going like, there's
no way this is going to work. And it immediately turned back on and was like, I'm fine. And
that thing was a tank. Um, and it was also like pretty fast and felt pretty nice for
its time. Phones used to be durable, man. I dropped my Samsung jive off the back of
a cantering horse. I don't know why I was trying to use my phone on the back of a horse
while I was at running speed, but it hit the ground, exploded, right? Yeah. Put it back
together. And, uh, and, and it fired up, I guess that would maybe be one of my, one of
my favorite phones. The only thing I liked about it was it had this ringtone that I really
liked. I've never had a better ringtone than that one. If I could find it, I would totally
put it on my current phone. But for me, I'd say I have to pick the note nine. It's the
most complete phone ever. In my opinion, it has a non picture based face unlock with their
Iris scanner that I don't believe was, was it present in the note seven? I'm trying to
remember the, the one that blew up. I think, I think it might've been, but it went away
after the note nine. So it had an Iris scanner, which came in handy for me a lot while all
the, um, definitely savvy shoppers with iPhones were pulling their masks off to use face ID
and putting them back on. I was able to use Iris scan. Uh, also it has a, uh, like a touch
sensor, a fingerprint sensor that is not Samsung's new ultrasonic one that is slow and inaccurate
and basically sucks. Had a headphone Jack. Uh, the one thing that it didn't have is an
IR emitter. Like other than that, it had basically everything. SD expansion notes were always
very like every feature possible were it didn't have a removable battery, but it's also not
a ton of work to swap the battery and that particular device, wireless charging, no reverse
wireless charging, but that's something that even on a device that I believe this one has
it, I don't know. I've never checked. I don't care. I would never use that. I don't have
any like proof for this, but I always kind of liked the removable battery because of
the drop it and it explodes thing. Cause I always had the like thought in my head that
it might be similar to kind of like ceramics, like some of the force goes in throwing that
back plate and that battery and stuff like that instead of smashing something. So I kind
of liked the idea that when I dropped my phone, it would kind of blow up like that. Cause
it's like, it's not like I'm not going to find the back plate. I still think it's a
bug rather than a feature, but sure. I see where you're coming from. Yeah. I mean, I'm
okay with a bug. Lego phones, just, I mean, they wouldn't do that unless it, it received
a significant amount of force. So I don't know. I was always down with it. D boss. Yes,
we do. All right. This next one, I'm going to apologize to you. Linus. This one comes
from Andrew. Hey everyone. I was so excited for the channel. Super fun on flow plane.
It was so hilarious. Linus in two words. How much damage did Dennis cause to your house?
Hmm. I think you could use one word. I'm going to check the wording here because it's funny
that you would say Dennis caused the damage to my house and not Dennis and Colton. Whoa,
whoa, whoa. To my house. Don't involve me. Definitely does say just Dennis, but sorry,
I get two words to describe the damage you guys did to the house. Yeah. Um, thousands
and dollars. It was pretty bad. How about that? So they, they, they wang the banister,
which is a pretty small fix. A little bit of wood filler, some primer, sand prime paint,
maybe sand again, paint again. Like you could probably, you could smooth that out, but the
damage they did to the floor and the main bedroom would necessitate taking like a not
insubstantial amount. Like it's, it's basically not fixable by the time they send it the entire
floor down enough to take out the gash that they put in the middle of my brand new, by
the way, this is literally brand new flooring that was installed fresh as part of this renovation,
the gash they put in the floor, they would have to take off so much of the top surface
of it that you would actually have to pull off the baseboards, move them down and repaint
the walls. Like you would basically have to re model the entire room to undo the damage
that they did. It was really bad. It was a pretty deep gouge and we tried moving the
bed at least three times on the first time. I was like, this is not what this should sound
like, Dennis, let's go get Yvonne. And he's like, no, no, no, we got this. Like just horrifying.
No, we were the adults in the room. We have you bear part of the responsibility. We have
video evidence for you. Yeah. I'm not gonna lie. Like I don't, I think the, I don't know.
How many times have I like yelled at our staff? Like, like CEO yelling at me, yell, like straight
up yell. Yell. Yeah. Like mad. Yell. Just like you get quiet. Yeah. He gets quiet when
he's really mad. I haven't heard that often. I've done. I can definitely remember a few,
but not that often. Okay. Well, hit me with one. I have one that I remember that was like
really good. I was, I was furious. My favorite one was at my parents' house. Oh, what was
that one? Oh, were you there? I heard, I heard about this. Okay. Was that me? Was I off camera
though? Or was I hamming it up for camera? Okay. Oh, what did I, what was it then? I
don't even remember. Well, technically, okay. Technically it was filmed. There is footage
of it, but like it wasn't, we weren't like supposed to like a camera would just happen
to be rolling. But someone was trying to cause, so there was like judging happening in the
family room and the judges wrote in the garage and you were able to monitor the filming and
stuff that was happening in the family room, but you needed people to start shooting in
the garage. And if you remember, like the whole reason why we were there was because
the day was crazy. Cause the power was out at the office and like all these things were
going weird. So it was a very stressful day and then filming was like not happening correctly.
And I, yeah, I don't want to recreate it, but were we filming channels super fun too
at the same time? Yes. At the field. Yes. With the bumper balls or whatever it was.
Yeah. That was a interesting day. It was a stressful day. I think I've only seen you
yell twice maybe. And I don't remember the exact situations. The time that I remember
because I was, I was more furious than almost any other time I can remember running this
company was when we lost a shoot due to utter carelessness. Just like completely were like
dirt, dirt, dirt, dirt, dirt, dirt, lost the SD card that had the entire footage for our
shoot on it. This was a long time ago. It was a long time ago. Very, very vague memories
of this. Yeah. That was a, that was back at the, at the Langley house. Yeah. So there's,
there's not many times that I have like yelled at people on ironically. And I wasn't even
yelling at a person in that case because it wasn't an individual that was responsible
for it. It was one of those as a team, we were just being utterly careless with our
data. And I, you know, I find, I find it's not the size of the transgression, it's the
necessity of the transgression and losing that data was utterly unnecessary. It basically
was a combination of it's a boiling again, utter, utter apathy and incompetence. Like
there was just no other way that it could have happened. You can't lose footage like
that. Yeah. And, and I, and the specific circumstances around it though, sometimes bad stuff happens.
And I'm understanding of that. Like we've, we had people, I don't think I even yelled
when someone who's no longer here left an entire camera bag full of camera, media, everything,
just like sitting in front of a lobby in Vegas, just got in the cab without it, just left
it there. Like I like stuff happens, but when it's, when you had every opportunity in the
world to back up the data and you just didn't, then I get, then I start to get really frustrated.
So I was not as mad as I was when we lost the data, but because of how unnecessary the
damage was to the floor, I didn't mince words. I think I made it clear that I was extremely
unhappy with the result. I was there when I found it. Yeah. You were there when I found
it? Yeah. Oh yeah. Okay. He sent a message and I was, I read the message and I immediately
understood the severity of said message. I didn't yell though. Nope. I don't, I don't
think yelling is healthy. I don't think it's constructive. There was a company that I used
to work with, like back when I was a product manager and I was told that their, their boardroom
meetings would often devolve into people yelling and literally screaming at each other. And
I was, I was, I heard this and I just went, what, what on, what possible reason could
you have to be yelling at each other in a business meeting? Aren't you all on the same
team? I interviewed somebody a few weeks ago for one of the business job postings we have
open and when we're talking about, you know, why, what's wrong with your current position,
they were saying like, Hey, the work conditions here aren't good and kind of dug into that
a little bit. And basically it was like, yeah, the way that we deal with any issue, large
or small is just screaming at each other. And I was like, Oh, that doesn't seem very
constructive. Nice. So, yeah. Okay. Why don't we jump into another topic while Colton digs
through some of these incoming merge messages. People are pretty into the new stuff. Oh,
you know what? One last thing, just cause we do need to queue up all the merge messages
for those of you who were waiting, holding out, holding out for a guarantee, a warranty
on the backpack. It's here. This is the trust me bro guarantee limited lifetime warranty.
We offer a limited lifetime warranty that the LTT backpack is free from manufacturing
and material defects. The limited lifetime warranty is valid for the usual and customary
life of the LTT backpack. The manner in which the LTT backpack is used to directly impact
the usual and customary life of the product as materials will deteriorate and fade over
time and moving parts such as zippers will also wear. The limited lifetime warranty does
not cover damages caused by misuse, abuse, or by accident or negligence, damage caused
by rips, cuts, or tears, normal wear and tear, including the breakdown of materials over
time, product purchase from unauthorized dealers, cosmetic damage, or unauthorized modification
or alteration. In order to make a warranty claim, you must be the original purchaser
of the LTT backpack from lttstore.com or provide a copy of the original proof of purchase.
So we do actually cover secondary owners or tertiary owners. We don't care. The reason
that we have that in there like that and that we require the original proof of purchases
so that we can validate that it's not a counterfeit backpack. So there it is. Before you ask,
yes, we had a look at what was standard in the sort of wearable on your back textiles
or over your shoulders textiles industry. And this is pretty much right in there with
everyone who has a, what was, what we were told was a really, really good warranty policy.
With the one difference being that from my point of view, the whole original purchaser
thing has never made any sense. Either you did a good job of making it or you didn't
and it shouldn't really matter whose back it's on. So we don't care about that. We just
do need to make sure that they're not counterfeit bags. So we have to validate that you have
an original proof of purchase. I've heard that's what it's kind of central around. It
is. Yeah. Yeah. That's the reason for it. But I mean, yeah, I really think that it shouldn't
be that hard if you're just contact support. Yeah. We'll figure it out. We should be able
to figure it out. Yeah. There you go. Woo. Should we talk about screwdriver or topics?
Yeah. Let's talk about a topic. Let's do it. Let's see here. We've got a few good ones.
We talked about metaverse already. Oh, that's the main one I was excited about. So garbage.
Airbnb. Do we want to talk about this? This isn't super interesting to me. I'm just going
to be cool. Hold on. We got one more thing. Xwar2 says at Linus at Luke, I've seen so
many people who outside of never having read a warranty before think that you developed
the trust me bro shirt from your own impulse. As far as the public can tell, it was asked
for by a fan on Twitter. Is that true? Yes, it was actually requested. I thought it was
hilarious and so I did it. Apple kernel exploit. Didn't hear about it.
He doesn't approve. No, I don't. It's sold really well. People love it. This is a smash
hit. Great then. I don't know. I don't have to like everything that we do. We're a big
company at this point. We sold 100 of them for every person who has said it was childish
or petty. I'm serious. It's like not even close. Maybe there's a lot of childish petty
people out there and that's okay. Yeah. Okay. Should we talk about maybe John Deere? That's
a more interesting topic. Yeah. We should jump into that after sponsor spots. Okay.
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Deere thing. This is feedback in full plain chat about the shirt. Oh yeah. One person
said that they bought one of every color and another person said that it feels very applicable
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like original context. I mean, it's kind of the original context is like trust. Yeah,
but it's, yeah, yes, but it's not like, okay, so what I should have said is not necessarily
related to the backpack. Oh, I like it related to like what they're doing. Sure. Yeah. It's
kind of its own thing. Uh, should we talk about John Deere? Should we talk about potential
branding for the lab? Let's talk about John Deere. I want to get into that. This is really
exciting because you know, John Deere, I'm happy this community is getting behind this.
It's a good thing. Um, this weekend, Australian hacker sick codes showed off doom running
on the touch screen of a John Deere 42 40 universal display, not, not the 42 40 tractor,
the 42 40 universal display, uh, to the crowds of Defcon 30 in Las Vegas, the monolithic
tractor, monolithic tractor behemoth. Okay. Known for their green and yellow color scheme
and putting anti repair software in their machines have been releasing touchscreen farming
equipment for over a decade. Sick codes mentioned he was working on right to repair hacks for
farming equipment during a presentation at last year's Defcon about tractor application,
programming bugs and exploits, which is fantastic because what John Deere is doing is complete
BS. Uh, farmers were not happy with the, uh, farmers were not happy with the talk publicly
revealing so many vulnerabilities because some brands like John Deere don't allow DIY
firmware updates. Yeah, but you need to do that. So they fix it. Yeah. Because otherwise
they won't fix it. And someone somewhere knows about the vulnerability. So get ready for
that. Uh, sick code says in quotes, I heard from some farmers, one guy emailed me saying,
uh, where is it? You're up all of our stuff. So I figured I would put my money where my
mouth is and actually prove to farmers that they can root the devices. That's what an
amazing response to that. That's fantastic. Sigma, Sigma energy. Yeah. Um, call himself
Chad codes. Um, this all comes after John Deere facing mounting pressures announced in March
that it would make more of its repair software available to equipment owners and finally
allow them to update their tractor firmware themselves. This isn't going to happen until
next year though. And honestly, I suspect it will happen with many caveats. I'm adding
that little bit in myself. Uh, vulnerabilities will remain on tractors, not serviced directly
by John Deere approved technicians and touchscreens like the one running doom are designed to
be remotely accessed to manage features like geo-fencing and curfews discussion question.
Is there a more anti-user company right now than John Deere?
Um, I mean, I would say that you could easily find other companies that are very anti-consumer,
but what makes it particularly offensive when it comes to John Deere is that this is essential.
This is food is essential. It's food. And these machines are expensive. Yeah. And a
lot of the expenses like people, farmers taking these like massive loans out so they can keep
doing their jobs. Yeah. They're relying on these machines for very long periods of time.
Like you buy one of these things and you lose, you use it for like extreme amounts of time
and you maintain it and you, you wrench on it and you work on it yourself. Like, so by
taking that away from them, that's like super messed up. Apple pulls a lot of extreme dickhead
moves for sure, but realistically you don't need an iPhone. Um, so, you know, I would
say in terms of, of the, of the destructive, the destructive nature of what John Deere
is doing. Um, they, they're, they're much closer to, you know, the, the, the mega, the
mega corporations that are buying up residential properties, for example, and pushing home
ownership out of reach of an entire generation. That's a little bit different than what the
question asks though. Cause it specifically says anti-user not like anti people, people
are users, users are people. I mean, what's the difference from my point of view? I would
say the user of a rental property is a user. Like I just, I just mean like it's, it's just
extremely when, when we talk about how horrible what someone is doing is, uh, you know, we
can talk about, uh, we can talk about like, uh, okay. The, the pop bottling companies
that are taking all the water while Mexico is facing an enormous, like life threatening
drought or what is it like Nestle buying like absolutely insane amounts of water from Canada
for like a cent. Have you heard about that stuff? Just absolutely absurd. Um, so, so
you know, when, when we, yeah, so it's not necessarily how egregious what they're doing
is, but the fact that it affects our ability to eat, uh, eat, get shelter, uh, that's where
it becomes just morally reprehensible. I've also just never understood like, why are you
messing with farmers? Like, I don't know, just, they seem like the, just this very like
hardy, gritty type of people that just want to get stuff done. You're selling them a machine
that they, for an extremely long period of time have been buying these types of machines
and maintaining them for huge amounts of time. There's like massive customer loyalty. John
Deere has got to be one of the highest like customer loyalty brands ever, especially before
all this started happening. Well, the reason you do it is because of this. You want to
sell your service stuff, right? Well, not just that, right, but there's this perception
that in a, in a capitalist society, unless you are growing, you are failing. Um, and
I mean, you'll like, I remember, especially when I was younger and I didn't really understand
the dynamics of the stock market, right? I would, I would see a company post that they
earned $3.2 billion this quarter and boy, that was way off what analysts were expecting.
So their shares plummeted today and I'm looking at it going, 3.4 billion seems like a lot
of money to me. That's, I, I, I consider that a win. Um, and so there's this pressure on
a company like John Deere to continue ramping up their revenues, but you can only sell so
many tractors. So they start turning to increasingly evil schemes to extract more revenue from
this finite number of customers, right? So it's, it's a systemic problem, but that doesn't
absolve John Deere of any of the responsibility that they have to take for participating in
it. They could just say, Nope, our, our tractors are, are, are user serviceable because that
just matters a lot and we're going to, we're going to build out a, like a servicing branch.
Uh, we'll have a revenue stream from that, but we're not going to hold a gun to our users
heads and tell them they absolutely have to use it. They absolutely had that option and
their shareholders might not have liked it, but at the end of the day, they don't have
a ton of competition, so they would have been fine. Maybe just less fine because the reason
that the share price going up matters so much is not actually much to do with the day to
day functioning of the company. All it really affects is how much you can borrow essentially.
And if you're running a profitable business, there's an argument to be made that you don't
really like Apple doesn't need to borrow money. Um, they have a ton of cash and if they do
borrow money, it's only because they are doing so strategically. They, it's, it's, it's cheaper
to borrow that money than to, to use their own money at all. It's, it's all a whole way
above my pay grade game that we don't really play here. Um, but if they're, they're a profit,
I forget where I was going with this. Right. Yeah. So it doesn't, the share price doesn't
actually affect the day to day operation of the company, but what it does affect is executive
bonuses, right? So when executives are paid in shares and the share goes up, then they
make a lot more money. So it basically just comes down to executive greed.
Yeah. Someone pointed out too, that they, they said in the US, but this is true basically
everywhere as far as my understanding goes, uh, farmers have a lot of government subsidies
so that they can keep, so they can keep the prices of groceries at grocery stores down
because if they didn't, the prices of groceries at grocery stores would be much higher. Um,
so in doing that, John Deere doing this hurts all of us. So you should care. But yeah, that's
it. Uh, J E Realize asks, didn't Lens once say
that if a publicly traded company doesn't make money, its shareholders can sue. Uh,
it's more if the company misleads their shareholders and it turns out they weren't doing what they
were doing, or if that publicly traded company does not act in the interest of its shareholders.
John Deere could easily make the argument that it is in the interest of the longterm
positivity, positive sentiment around their brand, that they not engage in these anti-consumer
anti-right to repair practices. And it'd be very unlikely, even if they could have made
an extra $10 million or a hundred million dollars this quarter, they could have made
a strong argument for that. It'd be very difficult to sue them over not screwing their users.
Yeah. Financial branding for the lab? Yeah, we can talk about that. Um, it's, uh,
pretty much settled at this point. I think that given the, uh, we, as much as we would
have loved to use LTT labs, um, we had some internal concerns about the close association
with LTT. We want, we want the lab to, I mean, obviously it's going to be associated. We're
going to talk about it all the time. We're going to use their numbers. We're gonna, we're
going to build products and services there that will delight us as much as our users,
but we didn't want them to just be tied at the hip. Uh, you know, LTT and LTT labs, they're
just one in the same because we're still going to do stuff on LTT that has nothing to do
with the lab. And we're going to do stuff with labs that has nothing to do with LTT.
We also, as we move away from branding things with my name, uh, it's a matter of time before
we changed the meaning, just, just retcon the meaning of Linus tech tips, change it
to like something else, tech tips or something and just, just change the branding to LTT
maybe rebrand entirely. I don't know. We'll figure that out later, but we felt it didn't
really make much sense to, uh, to go with LTT labs.com. Another concern that we had
was that LTT lab.com we do own LTT labs.com so it's very likely we will redirect that.
So anytime we talk about the LTT labs or whatever, um, it'll, it'll end up in the right place.
But LTT lab.com, which would be a very easy typo is a Chinese laboratory equipment supplier.
So I think we would have, and because their page is so slow outside the great firewall,
I think we could easily end up with a significant amount of abandonment from people thinking
it's LTT lab and just the page loading, because before that picture loads, it's a black
background with orange text. Yeah, that doesn't help at all. It really looks like it's still
not loaded. Wow. So, so it won't be, it won't be LTT lab or LTT labs. Um, which meant that
we had to try to come up with a name that was gonna, that was going to communicate,
you know, what the, the spirit of the lab was, um, while also being, you know, easy
to type and, uh, and, and not conflicting with, you know, any of our, any of our bitter
rivals. So, you know, we kicked around some ideas, but what we ultimately settled on is
it's going to be gamers command center.com. I, I thought, I thought it was only labs.
What did we settle on? I thought it was only labs.com because it's only, hold on. I got
to check the doc. I got to find out what we actually, it's only laboratory stuff. Uh,
what domain did we actually acquire? Um, labs, two cents. Did we, did we buy that one? Hold
on, hold on. I'm trying to bring up the doc here. Uh, did we actually even acquire the
domain yet? Am I supposed to be talking about this Colton? Did we get the domain yet? Live
laugh labs. No, shut up. That's not, that's not real. I know we had, I was posted info.
We had Linus lab.com. I don't think we had tech tech tech tech lab. We got a, a domain,
but I don't know which one. Um, I thought we were supposed to grab all of these just
in case. What about level one labs? I see. I actually, I really liked that name. I think
I voted for my memories that we got only labs.com, but I voted for level one labs. Yeah. Lab
media group. No, I don't think that's right. Okay. Laby McLab face. I don't even know what
this list is. Am I even looking at the right list? Not sure. We're just messing with you
guys. The number of people that are upset about a gamers command center, gamers hatchery.
Um, so the, the current front runner is actually lab 32.com and uh, the, the reason for it
is that it's a super short URL. It's easy to remember. It's really easy and fast to
type the branding is very easy. Uh, yeah, the branding looks really good. Sarah's actually
done some, some draft branding around it already that looks flippin cool. So the, the merch,
which I'm, I will obviously go to supporting the work that we're doing at the lab is I'm
going to look really cool, which is awesome. Uh, 32 people are asking why 32 and the reason
is that it's, it was actually inspired by a conversation, uh, around the like executive
table, uh, where Colton was saying something about like system 32. Was it you Colton who
mentioned like system 32? Correct. Yeah. And uh, so the significance of the number 32 is
just that it's a number that comes up in computing, right? Um, so people are mentioning lab 69.com
that did come up. Yeah, it came up, but obviously that's like stupid. So we're not going to
do that. Yeah. Um, lab 64 we also considered, but lab 32 just, I dunno, rolls off the tongue.
I think it's, I think Bob 32 is better in my opinion. I like it. I think it's pretty
sick. And then when we checked to make sure that there was nothing conflicting with it,
right? You know, no one else's is using this name or anything like that. The only real
reference that we could find to it was actually one of the areas in chrono trigger. There's
a, there's a, there's a lab 32 in chrono trigger and this happens to be one of my favorite
all time games. And I, yeah, I just kind of, I kinda kind of fell in love with it. Don't
delete lab 32. Yeah. I see. It's like, it's pretty good. I think it's good. I think it's
solid. Yeah. Yeah. Everything else was just a joke that we brainstormed right before we
started the show to troll you guys. Yeah. We did like a bunch of different YouTubers
made it sound like their things. Yeah. Did stuff like that. Do you guys want some more
merch messages? Oh yeah. Hit me, hit me. Oh, right. This one comes from Ian. Hey Linus
looking forward to getting my LTT backpack and the warranty I won't need to use. I'm
curious if you've considered making a camera bag variant of the backpack or maybe a camera
insert for the backpack. Yeah. We've looked at making a camera insert, um, as for a camera
bag variant, I'd say that that is not impossible, but it's pretty far off. The thing about that
is that as not a camera daily carrier, I, I just have less to contribute, I guess. I
also feel that it's a more niche market compared to people who carry a laptop. So it was a
lower priority for us in the first place. Um, there's no real clear flow to the things
I'm saying. I'm just brain diarying out of my mouth. Everything that we thought about
and talked about when we decided on a laptop bag rather than a camera bag. I think that
based on community feedback, you're more likely to see like a, like a downsized version of
the existing laptop bag before you'd see a camera bag from us. But that is nowhere near
even beginning development right now. So don't hold your breath for it. Oh, Hey, we just
fired up a poll for our float plane chat. Do you guys like the name lab 32? We want
to know what you guys think. I think it even just like looks cool, like typing it out.
I was like, yeah, that looks pretty good. I don't know. All right. I got another really
important question. This, this one comes from Thomas question for Luke and Linus. If you
could install any game on a John Deere tractor, what would it be? Um, minor VGA farming simulator.
I like it. Fantastic. Let's see. Let's see. Let's see. Let's see. Wow. 90% of the community
agrees lab 32 is pretty good for a name in my opinion. That's basically it then. Yeah.
That's pretty solid. Yeah. Especially when you just first present something. Yeah. I
mean, we did have some people internally point out that it doesn't really describe what you
do. I know like it was compared to something like PC part picker, which has a very clear
identity right in the, in the URL of the site. That one's a good example. I often find like
there are certain websites that have names that are very objective like that, that to
me sounded like bot sites. Oh, auto written articles. Just trying to get your clicks off
of Google to serve ads. That was my immediate reaction to at least one of the names that
was even suggested in there. Uh, I don't remember exactly what it was and it was a legit website.
I knew that because I've gone to it before, but if it just came up as a Google search,
I had never seen it before. I would probably ignore it because it sounds like, uh, someone
grabbed a URL that they're like, that'll be really effective and I'm going to fill it
full of like scrape auto auto scraping bot posts that just try to get as many clicks
as possible. So I don't know. I think a unique name is completely fine because you don't
need the brand recognition for the URL for people that have never heard of you before.
You can spread that brand recognition yourself and it's fine in my opinion.
All right. Next merge message comes from radioactive Twinkie. Hey Linus and Luke with the massive
size utility and popularity of steam. Do either of you feel that there are any other compelling
alternatives or do you think steam is basically in a league of its own at this point?
Epic. Yup. That's it. Just Epic. Origin will never actually fully compete. Uh, you, you,
whatever they even call it now, Ubisoft Connect will never actually compete. Um, GOG is fantastic,
but it's kind of in a, its own little niche and I think it does really well where it is
and I don't think it's ever really going to truly compete at the scale that steam is at.
Uh, but yeah, Epic absolutely. I mean, hold on a second. I mean, you could make an argument
for Xbox in the longer term. I seriously doubt it. They're certainly building in if they ever
actually did successfully acquire discord, for example, and they started to integrate,
uh, more community in Xbox. If they, I mean, game pass is already a way to just ensure you always
have hundreds of millions of users. The Xbox app on desktop is horrible and the windows store
is horrible and it would need to be removed and rebuilt to fix a lot of the problems that they
have. I don't see that happening and they've, they've been making all these commitments to
PC gaming while having, while trying to force their store, which is nowhere near ready to be
forced. It feels like the horizon worlds thing from Facebook, which where it's like, you really
honestly thought it was a good idea to let people even use this, let alone try to push people to use
it. Um, it's, it's really bad. The worst thing about, uh, horizon world, whatever horizon worlds,
three or four, whatever the newest one is. Um, I don't remember. Uh, but the worst thing about it
is the fact that Microsoft deals with all the multiplayer stuff and you have to do it through
the store. It makes it so that multiplayer is basically useless and you should just play the
game as a single player game. And that sucks. That is super rough. The, the most brutal things
about playing Halo is the fact that Microsoft runs the multiplayer and the friendless things
are all super weird and all this other kind of stuff. And it just sucks. And, uh, I don't see
those things being solved. Uh, because I think as much as, um, the new leadership there have
gotten rid of some of their old rules about not competing with each other and always building
their own things and stuff like that. I think some of those ideas are still, um, hard set at
Microsoft and they are going to only use their own things. They're going to only do this other
type of stuff and they are not going to invest enough in it to do a good enough job. So it will
always be bad. That is my opinion. Hopefully I'm wrong, but that's it. All right. I got another
one that kind of plays into what you guys are working on right now. This one comes from Zachary.
Hey Linus and Luke, how about doing the, all the domains I own segment? Uh, you had the idea for
a few months back. It'd be cool to hear the stories behind all the random domains you've bought.
Wow. Uh, yeah, I'd love to, I actually don't think I have the login for our domain registrar.
We have multiple ones now too. Oh yeah.
Think about like, I don't actually want to necessarily go into it, but yeah.
Um, we would definitely have to prepare for that ahead of time. We could do it though.
Cause I don't think that particular, uh, 2FA is even on like our, our, our accessible 2FA device.
I think it's on like an air gapped 2FA device. You don't, you do not fuck around with your domain
registrar account. So, uh, yeah, that's something we'd have to prep ahead of the show. I think Yvonne
might be the only one who has access to everything. Nope. No. Oh, all right then. There you go.
I don't think anyone does. Oh, um, is that a problem? Okay. Well,
we'll have to have a conversation about that later, but okay. Hopefully it's all good.
There's more than one, as far as my understanding goes, although I don't know about one of them,
there's more than one person that has access to each. Okay. Okay. I can, I, I own boring
math lessons.com. That one's pretty good. Adequate video service. We own adequate video
service.com. Yeah. Blip blip bloop.com. I think we might've gotten rid of a while back,
but that was one of the proposed names for float plane. Are you serious or something like that?
Yeah. It's something like there were not a lot of dot coms. That's one of the genuine problems.
Like we were talking about logos earlier, but like dot coms, it's an issue. Like you can't just
come up with things anymore. Cause people park them and then want to sell them to you for
tens of thousands of dollars, if not hundreds. Some of this stuff I might not have anymore,
but I definitely owned, um, gist of it dot com. And the idea was that it was like instant news
updates with like camera phone. It was like basically, uh, like YouTube stories essentially,
um, or like shorts, uh, how the F uh, makeup for bros was a dot com that I owned at one point.
I don't think I have it anymore. Cause I was like, I'm never going to do anything with this.
Um, but these were just, uh, you know, the makeup for bros one was just identifying that
makeup for men was becoming much more of a thing. This is like 10 years ago.
And, you know, kind of figuring out what, uh, verticals other than tech,
we could start to establish a presence in, but yeah, we just never, never, never got on it.
All right. This one comes from John Linus. Do you think framework might implement a refurbished
program or owner marketplace? Would you advocate for it? It'd be cool to offer my
used hardware to other framework owners. Um, sorry, I tuned out for a second. One sec.
All right. No worries. You want me to read it again?
Nope. Okay. Um, oh wait, no, that's a different one. I thought, I thought I had found it already
implement a reefer program or owner marketplace. I don't think it's necessary.
It's called eBay. Like I just, you're reinventing a wheel that already rolls pretty well on its own.
I'd say that is, I'd say that's not necessary. Pro move though, by the way, buying a $10 gift
card to send a merge message. If there isn't something that you're necessarily, you know,
eyeing this week, but there's might be something coming soon and you want to send a merge message.
That is a way to do it. And it doesn't cost anything for shipping because we don't actually
ship them the digital. All right. This one comes from Karthik. We need a project farm style
screwdriver comparison vid at the very least. Tell me if it's worth a worthy upgrade over the
Klein tools driver. I think you should just wait for project farm to cover it because I mean,
look, I'm not going to put words in their mouth, you know, if they don't want to cover it, then
fine. You don't have to. Right. But I think that it would, I think that that piece of content
would perform well and we'd be more than happy to send one over. I think project farm buys the
tools though. I don't think they accept samples. So we'd be more than happy to make one available
for purchase. But yeah, there's no need for us to make a project farm video when project farm can
make a project farm video. That's my take on that. Project farm is a YouTube channel for those of
you who haven't heard of project farm. Are we talking about screwdriver soon?
Should we talk about it now? Oh, do it. Yeah, we should. Right. We're going to do a pop-up.
Yeah. The date is set ish. It'll be August 27th. It's going to be at the lab from 10 AM to 2 PM.
So that's August 27th, 10 AM to 2 PM Pacific time. We are going to have around 2,500 screwdrivers.
So we are giving you guys a little bit more notice this time. I'm not going to lie to you again. I
will be there. But the point of being there, I'm not going to be wandering around outside. The point
of coming is to buy a screwdriver. So don't just come and hang around. There isn't enough parking
for that. Are we still planning on doing the stream? Yeah. Yeah. So that's probably what I'll
be focusing on. Yeah. So we're going to have a stream where people are going to be able to try
the screwdriver. These are all actually final. Everything in here is final hardware. If you want
to check them out, that's it. That's the, well, you can just take one if you want. These are final
hardware though. So these will be there at the pop-up shop. They will be available for purchase.
We'll have 2,500 of them. We are going to have competing drivers there in person. We're going
to have some scrap parts from free geek. If you want to like, you know, screw a motherboard into
a case or whatever, we're going to have some wood and screws, you know, if you just want to screw
things in, unscrew things, you know, try out the ratchet, make sure it doesn't slip, make sure it's
to your satisfaction. Yeah. We'll have comparison. Did I already say we'll have comparison drivers?
I'm not sure. So Vera, Klein, Snap-on, we're going to have comparison drivers from all the major
tool manufacturers for ratcheting drivers. And I'm, yeah, that's just because I'm extremely
confident. And then like Luke mentioned, we're going to have a live stream. So people are going
to be able to compare the drivers, talk about it to the live stream. I think we're going to stream
on short circuit. I'm not sure if we've actually settled on where exactly the stream is going to
go. Correct. On short circuit. All I know it's on full plane. I believe it will be silver version
only at the pop-up. Don't quote me on that though. Some people are asking if you can get backpacks
or potentially other things. I don't think we'll have any backpacks. Will we have any backpacks?
I doubt it because of the shipment waves. Also it is the silver version. That'll be the pop-up.
I know that. I need to check something. Okay. He's checking.
Someone said I have a father's day gift now. That is correct. I'm never giving this back.
I'm kidding.
I don't know what this is.
Hello. Hello.
You're live on the show. You're on speaker on the WAN show.
We just wanted to know if people are going to be able to buy backpacks at the screwdriver pop-up.
Yeah. Remember we said we were going to leave the ones that were air shipped in off to the
side and then there's going to be some there. It's probably like a hundred-ish.
Okay. So we do have a handful.
Yeah. We said the ones that we shipped in the air for the back pop-up. We didn't sell that one
aside for the screwdriver.
Got it. All right. Thank you.
Okay. Yeah. We will have some other stuff too.
We'll have other stuff. Oh, cool.
Yeah. We'll probably post something midweek, next week that just shows like what we'll have
and what the pricing will be and all that stuff just so people know ahead of time.
Oh, okay. Okay. All right. Thank you.
Goodbye. Well, there you have it guys from the man himself.
There will be stuff. There will be stuffs.
Things will be had. Things will be there.
Finally happening, man.
I had previously, I had tried one of the, like, I don't know what it was.
Failed QC ones. Yeah. Yeah.
And like the actually turning, it felt good, but switching the ratchet didn't feel very good.
And then that one was one of the final ones and that, that felt, that felt very crisp.
Yep. That took a lot of work.
I bet. Nice.
So yeah, August 27th, be there or be square or like, or don't be there.
Like we don't, we don't want like 5,000 people to show up.
Last thing we want is to, to turn people away.
Also, if you, for whatever reason, guys, we're going to do LTX next year.
So don't like get on a plane for this.
Um, but if for whatever reason you insist on doing that, um, there's nothing I can do to stop you,
but I will say don't book your flight now because we're pretty sure we're going to do it on that
day, but it's not a hundred percent. Sure. We got the first thousand ratchets today,
and we've gone through 250 of them. I think now to, to make sure that it's actually,
they're good and they are, but the other ratchets, who knows, they might get stuck in customs
and we might delay it so that we're not, we don't only have a thousand so that we actually
have the full 2,500 or, you know, whatever. Right. Like things can still happen, but that's
what we are planning on. And it is pretty solid at this point that it'll be on August 27th.
Just not a guarantee.
All right. Next merch message.
I'm going to ban the word. All right. Next.
This one comes from anonymous.
So next Merc's message. All right. So all right, basically.
Just the, um, um, okay. I'll stop. Anonymous says, keep up the good work,
particularly love all the new house content. Is there plans for more home server, smart home,
home automation content in the future? I feel like the lab could test Z-Wave, Zigbee, Wi-Fi stuff.
There will be more home automation stuff in the future because I am almost certainly going to
replace my light switches at this point. Not because Jasko is like a consumer unfriendly
company, but because I bought a six year old platform and I am not that pleased with the
features and performance. So, um, while we did have that little miscommunication within a valley
where they kind of went ahead and called their switch project Linus and slapped my logo on it
without consulting me. Uh, overall, I do like their jam. I think they seem like pretty cool
folks and they are all ready making progress on their motion sensor integrated switch using
millimeter wave technology. I'm pretty excited about it. So what I would like is to work with
them on that and swap out my Jasko switches for those, but nothing is set in stone at this time.
Other than that, I definitely need to figure out the audio setup. We've got all the speakers
installed, but nothing actually powering them yet. I have, what else is going on? Oh, someone else
here, David S mentioned the sofa baton X one. I have not opened the box yet. I definitely do need
to do that. I'm checking. I want to check it out as a replacement for the Logitech harmony.
Okay. So there's lots and lots and lots more stuff, lots more stuff to talk about.
All right. I just said, all right, again, I'm going to stop Linus with all the upgrades you
made to your old house brackets, tech, and otherwise, what are you planning on leaving
behind for the new owners? Other than wiring in the walls? Nothing right. Like you wouldn't
leave, would you leave a server rack? I don't think so. I'm a thousand years away from thinking
about moving out of that house though. So it's, it's pretty tough. They're talking about your old
one. Oh, the old one. I'm pretty sure. Oh, I thought we were talking about the new one. Sorry.
I spaced for this. I think, I think they're talking about, uh, your, your old one. Oh,
well, there wasn't really much there. Like there was like networking in the walls and
like speaker in ceiling speakers. You're not going to take the AC out. Yeah. Like anything
that's fixed to the house, you wouldn't really remove. So everything, everything I did is still
there. Yeah. Perfect. Next one comes from Nathan. Hey Linus, did your time as a product manager
affect the way that you look at your own store and, or what are some of your biggest takeaways
from that time? Absolutely. I mean, everything I learned about E-tail, I learned at NCIX,
both what to do and what not to do. Um, that was my first real job actually out of school.
And I had some really good mentors there. I also had some less stellar mentorship.
Like I said, I learned what to do and what not to do, but there's, there's a ton of,
there's a ton of principles that we follow that are absolutely based on, on what I learned there.
I mean, one of the big ones is take care of your customers because angry customers, man,
the number, the number of people that I feel like thought that we would be willing to tarnish
our reputation over like 250 bucks over a replacement backpack was just kind of baffling
to me. I don't want to sound out of touch, but in the context of the scale of this operation,
I don't think that was the point. I can't believe we're getting back on this topic. We're not.
Okay. But in the context of the scale of this operation and the context of the damage that
it could do to our brand, $250 is nothing. Right. That's not why people were mad though.
I think people were mad for a variety of reasons, some valid and some less so.
Okay. So we can leave it at that. But, um, yeah, I saw time and time again, NCIX
just shoot themselves in the foot over very, very small sums of money. They would, you know, they
would be in a situation where it just totally doesn't make sense and is just detrimental to
the customer. They would, they would enforce policies that just, you know, didn't matter,
right? Like you'd have someone bring in a motherboard that they clearly opened, right?
Like $150 motherboard, let's say, and they opened it and, you know, NC, it's totally still working.
It's like brand new. They just opened it and it was an ATX motherboard and they had an MATX case,
right? So they bring it back cause it doesn't work for them. And NCIX, you know, rep be like,
sorry, 15% restocking fee. And it's like, Hey, um, particularly at that time motherboard packaging
didn't even seal. Yeah. It's a brand new board. You're, I know that you're going to just resell
it as new anyway. So we're talking about. If there was a seal and there often wasn't,
it was just the tape on the bag on the inside. Oh, that opens them up in the first place anyway,
to put their own label on them. So they would break the seals on the products in the first
place. So we're talking about $22 on a product that you're going to resell at full price anyway.
And an totally innocent mistake. The guy's not trying to rip you off. Like I just, I just,
I watched mistakes like that. And I was going to drive a customer to another store for sure.
Yeah. Over what, $22? Because it's the, the, the biggest thing is the like principle and the
annoyance of that being charged at all when you're like trying to come back and trying to
continue being a customer. Yeah. Yeah. It's just, it was, it was just frustrating. Like it's just
common sense to me. Don't do that. It's not worth it, you know? And then as expected,
that person would post on the forum and then, and then we'd have to give them the full refund
and a gift card to make them shut up. It's like, wow, good job. You just cost, you just played
yourself. Oh my goodness. All right. Next one comes from Harrison. Hey Linus and Luke. When
hiring new employees, do you look for people with a lot of experience or would you consider hiring
employees who may not have as much experience, but want to learn a lot while at LTT or whatever
company? That's going to get a big fat, it depends. There's some roles where we can afford to
kind of train on job and there's other roles where we can't. There's some roles where we're,
we're doing something new or something different and we need someone to come in and be an
experienced leader so that we can hire other people that can train under them. Yeah. Like
Gary, for example, was someone that we hired. We're going to need someone with experience for
that role. Yeah. And it's been great because I don't have to micromanage him. Like he'll just
go and do stuff and then I'll have a meeting with them like once every week or a couple of weeks.
And it's like, yeah, what are you working on? It's like, oh yeah, that's all stuff that makes
sense. That's what I would have told you to do. If I sat and fought really hard and came up with
a really great plan, that's what I would have told you to do. So see you later. You know,
yeah. Love having people like that, but sometimes you need that. Sometimes you need other people
that you can kind of mold and yeah. Or you're hiring for a role that doesn't really exist.
Like back when we hired Nick light, how many experienced YouTuber sales representatives were
there? Well, for real, I mean, no, like even poach from, cause you, you had started it,
but like the, even the ad formats that we had were like, not even really a thing at that point
at that point in time on YouTube, like that's how old school the channel is. So yeah, that totally
makes sense. Yeah. So there is, there's a really big range. I really like portfolios. I don't
necessarily like, if you can prove to me that you can do the job, it depends on the role again,
cause like Gary's role would need experience no matter what, but like from a development standpoint,
if you can prove to me that you can make fantastic things and you're like codes open source. So I
can see it and I can see the way that you develop. I can see the way that you document. I can see all
these different types of things. What do I care about the education or experience? You can do a
fantastic job. So it sounds good. Yeah. Hiring for a lot of the sales roles for the Linus Media
Group side has been interesting because it's not just like we're selling things, right? Like you,
it's completely different, right? If somebody's coming from the used car sales market and they
apply here to work as an account lead and they want to sell sponsorships, it's not the same
thing. It's very different. So we'll have to mold it a fair bit. Yep. Lil Ink asks,
do stores still have restocking fees? I return products every now and then and never had to pay
something like that. I'm from the Netherlands. This is a great example of s*** rolling down a
hill. Many IT brands have restocking fees. So in the event that NCIX, especially back then,
were to return that product to their supplier, they're basically just passing the savings on
to you, but in reverse. Someone asked if we do code interviews. I have found that a lot of the
developers that apply due to the way that we send out, the fact that we have a job coming in, are
often fans of the channel. I would also wager to say that people that follow like software
development, software engineering, blah, blah, blah, those types of roles are not always the
the most like socially experienced. So there are often very high nerves in interviews when people
are interviewing with us. So I don't see a huge amount of value in testing people live in that
type of situation. What we tend to do is we try to give them a take home that we hope will take
a reasonable amount of time and we try to frame it in a way that like if you were just posting
on Stack Overflow, we would know and it's not gonna be like super generic answers so that we
can actually see how people would do things and we can see how they would comment and stuff like
that. That's our approach. Oh, we should jump into another news topic. The California DMV accuses
Tesla of making misleading claims about autopilot. What? This is hilarious. How many times have I
called this? Like how many times honestly? I actually am surprised that it took this long.
I'm shocked it took this long. More than anything, it's just the amount of time that it took. Yeah,
that's stunning. For a second, I thought you were like making up the headline because of
how many times that you said. Tesla is under fire from the California DMV for untrue or misleading
claims about autopilot and full self-driving. The main things the DMV has a problem with are
the terms and wording that Tesla uses saying autopilot and full self-driving are terms that
do not represent the capabilities of the system. No, no. There's no way that happened. The use of
the words full self-driving capabilities on their website, particularly the words the system is
designed to be able to conduct short and long distance trips with no action required by the
person in the driver's seat. Yeah, yeah, that's pretty misrepresentative. According to the DMV,
the way Tesla advertises their systems, okay, this is sort of redundant, but that's fine.
Although Tesla does have disclaimers on their website, the DMV says that these only contradict
the advertising instead of curing the violation. Yeah, that makes sense. DMV seeks to require Tesla
to provide more accurate terms and descriptions and more and better consumer education of the
product capabilities and limitations is what the DMV said in a statement to MarketWatch. Yeah.
Good. Yeah. This should have happened many, many years ago. Yeah. Back when Tesla's autopilot and
full self-driving whatever was even less capable than it is now. The number of, I mean, I don't
have to tell you guys the number of times we've seen people asleep at the wheel and their Teslas
is utterly unacceptable. And it, and it, yes. Okay. It's supposed to like get you to not do that.
And it communicates that you shouldn't do that and stuff like that. But if you tell someone that
something can do, if you tell someone that this machine has a certain capability, they're going
to bypass that type of stuff at any possible opportunity. Remember when people were shoving
oranges in their stealing steering wheels? Cause it was like detecting it as a hand or whatever.
Like people are going to do, people are going to get away and get around, sorry,
those types of limitations. Alex's contribution here, he wrote up this topic is on the one hand,
Tesla has the best self-driving in existence. Yep. But in practice, it feels like handing your
keys over to a teenager that's texting and driving. In my opinion, they shouldn't call
it self-driving until it actually is. Right now it's just really good driving assistance.
I find Tesla in particular kind of terrifying given that they push out beta self-driving
features to be tested on public roads. And there's no hacking way I'm trusting a car to drive me
until it has been proven reliable and much better than the average driver for years. And that's fair
enough. Which again is all like, yeah, as far as my understanding goes, they have the best
self-driving and that's great. And that's fantastic. And they should be proud and happy about that.
But yeah, it shouldn't be falsely advertised. That's all. Which is true about like everything.
So yeah, not just related to this. Yeah. Floatplane chat's talking about when
Red Bull got sued for it not actually giving you wings. I mean, if that went through,
there's no way Tesla should be calling their cars full self-driving or autopilot.
Yeah. Because sometimes with stuff like the Red Bull thing, because I think there was a Skittles
one too back then at around the same time. Skittles said something in their advertisement,
but it wasn't like as interesting as gives you wings. Oh, I don't remember.
But I think there was, yeah, I think there was a few of them back then, but like in those types
of situations, it's like, well, yeah, obviously not. But in this situation, it's not an obviously
not, which makes it way worse in my opinion. Funny hat says any pilot will tell you autopilot
will get you killed really quickly in an airplane with thousands of feet of space around you clear.
Okay. So maybe, maybe autopilot is, is somewhat defensible, but the full self-driving nonsense
needs to go, obviously. And the average user, the average Joe public interpretation of the word
autopilot is more inspired by science fiction films than it's inspired by actual airplane
autopilot. Yep. Correct. Taste the colour of the rainbow, if I remember correctly. Yeah. I,
I don't know. I don't remember that. All right. Some more merch messages. Um, also, okay. Um,
all right. This one comes from Brit. Hey, Linus and Luke. I'm a young entrepreneur and I currently
run a game and VPS hosting provider. Any tips for me as a small business? Anything you'd suggest
we should do for the consumers? P.S. Happy birthday tomorrow, Linus. It's mine too. Whoa.
Whoa. Anyways. Did you know that's on people's timesheets? What? Why? It's in the exact same
font and the exact same setup as a stat holiday. Why? I don't know. In the timesheet? They,
they made me start doing timesheets this year, which, which you should have been doing the whole
time. You should do it then. I put in way more than 40 hours every single week. What am I doing
right now? You think I'm going to balance this next week? That's not happening. So you should
do it too. Anyways. Um, this, so this is the first time I ran into it. I thought there was
a stat coming up cause I just saw the red text. I was like about to announce a stat in our meeting
and then I was like, when is Lance's birthday? I don't know why that's in there. I think it's
very funny. Um, what are we talking about? Oh yeah. VPS company. Apparently it was Taste the
Rainbow though. Yes. Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. Uh, be nice to your customers.
Yeah. Uh, under promise over deliver. I mean, oh man, I don't know. It's, it's word of mouth
is really powerful. So if you under promise and over deliver and are nice to your customers,
those customers will very likely stay around and they will very likely bring you other ones.
Other than that, I don't think I can say anything too specific.
All right. This next one comes from Kenneth. All right. It's Ben.
I keep saying it. I can't help myself. I'm just going to say the question. Hi Linus. I know you
drive the valve index for VR at home. Does it ever feel outdated or lacking in features to you?
If Valver were to release an index to what features would you like to see out of this?
Wireless. I hate the cord, the cord socks. A hundred percent. Yep.
Um, other than that, their lenses just are not as good as Oculus is. It's not even close. And, uh,
man, the fact that they are still using LCD displays in high-end VR headsets drives me
berserk. Give me OLED, give me OLED. I need that fast pixel, uh, switching time.
Yep. Big time. Next question. Billy B. Yo, what's up Linus, Luke and Colton. Have anything to share
about your health? What do you eat? Uh, like, do you eat healthy? Have a great one. Love everything
you got, everything you guys do. How did these? Okay. I know I said be a little more liberal.
Okay. So you know what? No, no. Good merch message, but good merch message.
All right. Um, I wouldn't say I eat super healthy, but I do try to like eat vegetables and stuff.
I also try not to overeat. I mean, that's a, that's a big one. Um, I often end up not eating
too much just because the nature of what I do during the day means that a lot of the time I
don't take time for food. So I wouldn't recommend it, but Hey, it's, there you go.
I was skipping lunches for a really long time for the same reason. And now I'm getting, uh,
like, uh, meal prep stuff. So I just have to heat it up because that's all the time I really have.
Um, I, this is not a recommendation. What I'm currently doing is overnight oats for breakfast
every day with oat milk and blueberries and strawberries. And then lunch is chicken breast,
rice, beans, and then either an apple and almonds or carrots and hummus. And then dinner
is chicken breast, rice, beans, and either an apple and almonds or carrots and hummus.
And that's it. You're lying. Nope. Okay. I've lost 25 pounds in the last,
I think it's like six months. Nice. That's a lot of money. Yeah. Not going to go into what I eat.
Next question. Merch message. Nicholas. I just recently finished my second computer
that I built into a record player. What's the coolest case or non case you've built in
brackets besides the play button. Oh, well that was obviously what I was going to say. Uh,
okay. Well I'll let Luke go first then I'm I'm kind of conflicted between either the follow-up
bomb. Yeah. Or I want you to guess it. I'll be fire one. Yeah. Yeah. Obviously I'm going to get,
come on. Yeah. Yeah. Those two for sure. Uh, ultimately out of those two, I think I'd pick,
yeah, the scraphead was for the fire computer. Um, but the follow bomb is pretty sweet too.
People are saying that's not enough varied food and stuff. I said, it's not a recommendation. Don't
do what I'm doing. It's fine. And I vary it. Sometimes it's okay. I'll be all right. Leave
me alone. Nighttime astronaut says time sheets are the enemy of motivated employees in a workplace
that doesn't actively support a work-life balance. What are you talking about? Time sheets are how
you accurately pay people. Yeah. I don't really get it. How on earth are you supposed to accurately
pay people if you don't have time sheets? We have like flex time and time sheets.
Like it's fine. Look, I'm not trying to be a hater or whatever. Like, Hey, thanks for the subscription
on float plane. Like for real love you. But, um, you do need time sheets. It's just administrative.
I mean, nobody likes it, but yeah. Salary. Yeah. That's the, yeah. Well, he's salaried. He's a
manager. Got him. Yeah. But then I still have to fill a time sheet too. This is great. Even though
I do more than 40 hours every week. Wow. I could drag on, I could drag the land show out for as
long as I want. And it would cost me no extra because we're all salary. It's true. Please,
please. No. Isn't that a fun trick? Did you answer the question last? I don't remember.
What was the question? Coolest case. Oh, play button. No, I'm going with the play button.
Fine. Fine. Next merch, merch message. Abraham. Hey, guys. What's going on?
Hey guys. Loving the new merch. What's your take on the new Samsung fold four, especially since
Linus has used the full three as a daily driver. Short circuit coming soon. Nice. Get subscribed.
How much does it cost? Is it two grand? 1,800 US dollars. Sounds good. I don't care.
Yep. That's basically it, isn't it? Yeah. All right. Next, next merch message. I can't say
merch. Next merch message comes from anonymous. Okay. I'm just going to do that. I will just
trip over the names. Will labs look at repairability or jailbreaking to extend the life of devices?
Not necessarily at the start, but at least down the line. Jailbreaking, very unlikely. I think
that's beyond the scope of how they're going to. They're going to evaluate products as they're
intended to be used, but I could absolutely see them. You archived that one already. I was going
to look back at the wording. Repairability? Yeah, but absolutely repairability would be
a major consideration for us when evaluating a product. With that said, we're not looking to
replace iFixit. They already do a great job of providing repairability scores for key new
devices. It's just something that we would consider as we go through and evaluate it as it's
intended to be used, not as it's intended to be rebuilt and used. All right. This one comes from
Amanda. Good Eve. Gentlemen, does the lab plan to test mics or interfaces that streamers slash
content creators commonly use? Also, does the total phase tester also test XLR and TRS cables?
As a musician, I've encountered some snake oil there. Mics and interfaces will come. They're a
relatively low priority category because they're relatively low volume category compared to
something like CPUs or GPUs. I don't believe it tests XLR or TRS cables, but that is something
that we will be building out the capability to test in the future because we are planning to
develop our own line of cables and we won't settle for anything other than the best.
Beauty. This is ridiculous. What do you mean flex time is just to keep you from actually taking
time off? People use their flex time all the time here. If that was the point of it, it is
not working. Hold on. Wait. I think they're talking about a different system. Ours is paid,
so it's basically vacation time. Yeah. You take it as if it is vacation time. I think they're
interpreting being able to have flexible hours. Oh. Oh, no, no, no. And being able to shift your
hours around and stuff. Oh, no. Flex time is just a policy that we introduced back when the COVID
lockdowns were starting to become more of a thing, where on top of the legally mandated vacation
time, we added two weeks of paid time that is not strictly speaking vacation. Is it two weeks?
It's two weeks. I thought it was one week. I don't know. Is it a week? I don't know. Colton,
help. Two weeks. Okay, cool. Yeah, two weeks. Is that right? Yeah, it's two weeks. I feel like
I'm saying it wrong. Yeah. So everyone has two weeks of additional paid time off on top of their
vacation time, and we call it flex time because you don't have to... This is after your first year,
I believe. Oh, okay. So you don't have to book it ahead of time is the idea. I'm not so sure.
I don't know. We'll check. I'm often not the best at being on top of those types of things though,
so maybe you guys are right. People use it all the time. It sounds like a lot of time on top of
vacation time. Yeah, it is. It's really inconvenient to schedule around. Yeah. Yeah. But to be clear,
we care about people having work-life balance. Oh, that's cool. It's just from a scheduling
standpoint, it does have downsides. Luke's sitting there having only used a week. Yeah,
I mean, I haven't used that much, but yeah. I've used some of it though. Yeah, I totally have.
I've had stuff happen. It's really nice to... Because there's always the dreaded feeling.
If something really negative in your life happens and you're like, okay, I need to take some time
off to deal with this, it's like, oh, I have to dip into my vacation time to deal with this.
I have to deal with this thing that is just horrible and doesn't feel like a vacation.
It's kind of nice to be like, no, my vacation time is fine. It will stay there. I will use
flex time. I think it's cool. I'm totally down. This merch message comes from Dor. Linus,
you always mentioned not consuming long-form content. Is it just time constraint or you
don't really connect to the format? It's mostly that I just get anxiety when I look at a long
runtime on something and I'm just like, I should probably be doing something else. I'll go do
something else. So that's one of the main reasons I'll never start a new TV show because it's like a
15, 25-hour commitment in a lot of cases, especially if it's an established show that's
been running for a long time or already concluded. And it's just a huge time commitment. No, no,
it's not that I don't connect to the format. It's just that A, time and B, attention span.
Like I would never sit and watch an entire TED Talk. There's no way I could, unless it was
very relevant to my interests. Like it was stuff I must know. Yeah.
I could think of a couple, but like it's... I've sat through long presentations. I'm fully
capable of it, but it better be relevant. Yeah. Sure. Yeah. Some of these are not very good,
Colton, but that's okay. You did great. Hey, CM says, thanks for getting me through some
tough times to Luke. And that, would you start doing more content about cool projects involving
computer vision now that you have a CV dev in the lab? I think you're going to see us using our dev
as opposed to just making content about computer vision, but in the longterm, who knows? Jackson,
I've recently started a video production business after freelancing for a while and it has...
Okay, people are sending a bunch of them now. And it has been tough navigating the business part.
Did you have help with the business part? Sure did. Yvonne helped me a lot. I have an uncle who
gave me some pretty good advice at the beginning. Yes, I did get help, but I also spent the previous
six years or whatever it was in a fast paced business environment at NCIX, where I learned a
lot. Scrap metal. Love the show. I was curious if you guys would be open to making a video about a
budget server slash networking rack set up. Get the lack rack. It's all about the lack rack.
The Ikea lack. Oh yeah. I've heard of this. Yeah. You can just convert it to
the standard spacing for Rackman equipment. It's super cheap. That's what like, as far as I can
tell, it's what basically everyone does. Yeah. Stefan, Stefan, I believe firmly in the benefits
of video games. My sister does not. What kind of system or games could I use to convince her to let
me buy my niece a console next year when she is old enough? Interesting. So step number one,
respect the wishes of the parents. Do not blindside your sister with the gift. It sounds
like you already understand that. And what you'd like to do is convince your sister. I would bring
up games that the family can play together. I would bring up that parental controls exist. You
can limit the amount of time that can be spent because there might be a concern where you can
enforce the amount of time they can spend while they're home. But if they leave, are they just
going to spend all day on it? I'd say the creative and learning benefits of something like a
Minecraft vastly outweigh the drawbacks of the screen time boogeyman. But you might not convince
her. Yeah. I'd be specific about the games that I would suggest though, and don't just
get whatever. Because yeah, Minecraft is very cool for that. There's a lot of other games that are in
that type of style where it's a lot of brainpower and thought process, which is good, and creativity
and whatnot. For Luke, Floatplane is missing some quality of life features compared to something
like YouTube. Yeah, Floatplane also has a development budget, literally multiple orders
of magnitude smaller than YouTube. But yes, my question is, what is your motivation to add these
features as it will increase usage and raise operating costs instead of having supporters
still use YouTube? Floatplane is less about the features and more about supporting us and the
content. Content is king. Floatplane has really, really good exclusives right now. Behind the
scenes, meet the team, cutting room floor stuff. There's a lot of really good stuff on Floatplane
right now, more than ever before. You notice we're pushing it really hard in the videos lately.
That's not because Luke's team finally got their butts in gear and made a decent platform.
They had already done that, the hard work. It's that we finally got around to building out a team
that is dedicated to uploading creative, fun content over there to make it worthwhile.
I would also mention about features. This year in particular has been really tough for Floatplane
due to some staffing issues. I think when the term staffing issues gets used these days,
it's describing something that is not what I'm describing.
Yeah, just under hiring in the first place. I hear it used for that a lot.
Well, Floatplane definitely had that. The team was always smaller than our... What do you call it?
That wasn't the issue this year, though.
Yeah, I've been hiring the entire year, but the Floatplane team hasn't grown at all.
They haven't?
Nope, not yet.
Oh, that's right.
They will be, but not quite yet. We had some other staffing issues more related to people being
unable to work for personal reasons, but they were going to come back and they have come back,
and we're very happy that they've come back. Those staffing issues are solved slash still being
solved because hiring takes a long time. There are more quality of life features coming down
the pipeline. We heard a lot of people talking about wanting to be able to see where they had
left off in a video thing, so that's coming. There's lots of other stuff coming, yeah.
Mike D says, thanks for the tip on the gift card, Linus. Quick question. Why do you always joke
about firing Colton? He seems like a hardworking and valuable employee. Colton, you know that I can
tell when you send your own merch messages, right? I told you if you do that again, it's the end.
I'll see you later.
How did it get... Oh yeah, we started joking about firing... Okay, so first of all,
I used to fire Luke all the time. I don't remember how that started.
I don't remember how it ended either.
Maybe because I hadn't even hired you because you worked at NCIX. I don't know. It would have
been something like that. I'm not sure.
Just a silly thing. I know we did it all the time on WAN Show.
It was mostly a WAN Show specific thing.
Yeah, and then firing Luke all the time turned into joking about firing Colton when he copyright
striked our own channel for the first time. And I did it a second time, like a week later.
Yeah, yeah. So that's where the fire Colton memes started. And then they kind of morphed into
just like internally, just like, f*** Colton, right? Like, f*** that guy. Just in general.
And then he never actually gets fired because as you observed, he's a hardworking and valuable
employee. So the memes live on and so does his employment for the time being, if that makes sense.
I love it. Okay. I love that you curated that message, though.
I had to.
Shy says, G'day from all Australia. Okay, that was my best attempt. I'm gonna stop that now.
Excited to get my hands on the new backpack. Pricey but worth it for all the free content
I've consumed over the years. Hey, shout out, Shy. I have a question for Linus. Do LTT employees get
a discount in LTT merch or are they given a set value they can spend per year? I think the
internal policy is merch is free, but use your common sense within reason.
Yeah, I know the remotes. It's a little bit not as easy for them. And there's been some people
asking like if we should try to figure something out moving forward. I've talked to some other
people internally about this, but like figuring out a certain amount per year or like something.
Yeah, it's gotten to the point where it's kind of unmanageable.
It's a lot of people.
If we were to give a backpack to everyone, that's like literally five figures of money.
It's like a person. Yeah.
It's like hiring a person for that.
Yeah. So we do have to figure out. Yeah, I guess we got to figure out a better way to handle.
Yeah, I'm not necessarily sure what the best one is.
On the other hand, people on camera have to be wearing the merch.
Yep.
And you can't force them to buy it unless you are a fast food chain.
It might be. Force you to buy your uniform.
You wanted to with me back in the day. It might have to be different per roll.
Did I? I wanted you to buy. What did I want you to buy?
You wanted me to stop getting merch for free and you wanted me to buy it.
And I was like, I need it to be on camera.
What was the context of that conversation?
You don't need everything. And I was like, okay, but I'm going to wear the same shirts on camera
all the time. And you were like, this was a long time ago. This was like a really long time ago.
Yeah. It's clearly a stupid idea. So, okay.
I think this was like 2014 or something.
I'm glad we got that started. Well, I had no money back then.
I think that's why.
Oh, all right.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Okay. I mean, you had no money, so.
Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, people on camera are going to need more stuff. So maybe they just
have a higher amount or something. I don't know.
Yeah, I guess. The last thing I want to do is create internal politics around trying
to get on camera so you can get more free though.
So I don't know.
I don't know the right answer.
That's fair.
Yeah.
Steph Stephen asked, any plan on building DOS gaming PCs in the future?
I think it'd be cool to do that.
Anthony has been bugging me to do something like that for ages.
I just keep not getting around to it.
It's a matter of time eventually, but it's not happening anytime soon.
Lev says, when, if ever, are we going to get RGB LTT merch?
Hey, okay. It's not like, you know, lit or anything, but yeah, we'd love, we'd love to
do some kind of RGB lighting thing or something like that, but it is absolutely not on the
roadmap for now.
Jose asks, any plans to do a Linux-like challenge, but with Apple, like the full ensemble, iMac,
MacBook watch.
I have tried to do this multiple times. I did the iMac ages ago, and I think I was actually
daily driving an iPhone at the time anyway, was I? I don't know. I can't quite remember,
but I've tried multiple times since then. I'm like, yeah, all right, I'm going to put
on, I'm going to use, and then I just immediately lose interest.
Just like, I don't know. I just, it just doesn't, it doesn't do anything for me.
And it's, it just negatively impacts my quality of life for what?
I, yeah, yeah, I just can't.
Nathaniel, how long did it take for you to get Expert Plus and Beat Saber?
Any tips for someone stuck at heart?
Don't do this, do this.
This is much faster than this.
It might be very difficult depending on the like sports and stuff that you've played,
but you just got to figure it out.
It took me quite a while because I'm not used to that type of movement, but it was like
significantly better once I started being able to pretty much like do it at all.
Kevin asks, I've seen ads for selling old YouTube videos lately.
Have you seen or heard about this?
You can sell an old YouTube video for a one-time payment and the buyer gets all
future revenue from it.
Would you ever consider this?
Seems weird to me.
We were actually approached by a company called Spotter about not selling because it
wouldn't really work that way.
It's belongs to the channel that is uploaded to, but about licensing for a certain period
of time, our back catalog, where they give you an upfront payment, much like what you're
describing, and then over time, they take the recurring revenue from that evergreen
content that will continue to get views.
They've put a bunch of work into ensuring that their investors or their company is
kind of beating what they would get just putting the cash into a GIC, while also making
sure that the creator is getting an amount of money that could be potentially business
changing for them.
For us, we thank them for the offer.
We actually went through the process a couple of times when we were in situations where
we thought we might need the money.
And both times we kind of went, well, unless we are going to do something with this
cash that makes more than the internal rate of return calculation that they've done
for themselves, it doesn't make sense.
And every time we didn't have a plan for the cash that was going to generate a better
return for us.
So we figured, well, we're better off just holding the asset and getting the additional
payout, even if it takes longer.
We've never run out of cash since the first six months of the company starting up.
So, yeah, if something had come up where we like really, really needed a million dollars
like now, I think that something like a spot or deal or something like that could make
sense. But I we're not we're not planning anything like that right now, especially not
after the initial success we've seen with backpack sales.
That Shopify check is going to be wild.
I want to take a selfie with it.
That's like more money than I've ever seen in one place in my life by a long shot.
To be clear, guys, I just want to this is not me, just YouTuber flexing.
We also have a lot of expenses like like getting the backpacks made.
Like, well, yeah. Yeah. Okay.
Where's that?
I just I just meant like do the math.
We have over 80 people working here now, even at minimum wage, like our our annual salaries
are like in the millions.
Right.
So we actually do need millions of dollars just to operate.
Lawrence says, love the enterprise hardware software content.
Any recommendations for a good for you case other than Rosewood or I-Star USA?
Honestly, I haven't looked at it in too long.
I do know that I always forget what they're called, but they make that case called the
Cerberus Cerberus case.
Oh, man, what are they called?
Sliger Sliger has some cool like rackmount gaming stuff, but I have no idea what you're
trying to to do with it.
Finally, last one, Travis.
You got to say it.
You say it properly.
Yeah, you got to say it just like I say it.
Yeah, Travis writes, so all right.
Um, how are you liking your Epson projector?
I have the previous generation love it.
I love it.
I'm trying to get another one, but they are sold out for months everywhere.
I told Epson, look, I don't even want a sample.
I want to buy it.
Can I buy it?
They're like, sorry, brah.
No, come on, come on.
I thought I'm an influencer.
Can I not influence you right now?
No, fine then.
So I'm waiting because I want a second one so that we can do a video on setting up a
3D projection theater in 2022.
You can still do it, but it's kind of wild.
So I want to do it.
That's cool.
Yeah, that's the plan for that.
And that's it for the WAN show.
That's all.
We will see you again next week.
Same bad time, same bad channel.
Bye.