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I don't have anything here. Let me tell you we're gonna talk about the Apple the newest patent for Apple's forthcoming folding phone
Which is not announced but seems all but assured. We're gonna talk about the Xbox game pass for PC and
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The most stressful part is over now. We can just talk. I don't want to go in that order
Do you want to talk with the iPhone first?
It's up to you man
It's at the top. Okay, let's do it because I saw this I saw this story and I did not include it in techlink today
Okay, because I thought it was like that's who knows whether it's real, but you seem pretty confident
Well only insofar as they have a pretty good pile of patents about foldable phones now
Mm-hmm
There's several patents out and I'm aware that a lot of patents and particularly a lot of Apple patents do not become products
Yes, I'm aware of that. Well, as long as you're aware, I'm aware of that, but they've got a bunch and
it I
Don't want to get into these questions quite yet. Let's just talk about the latest patent first. Okay
What is the latest patent described it describes a device that is has multiple folds like a wallet?
Mmm, can you you're gonna get that photo up for everybody and up right now?
That's weird in retrospect
Are you gonna use that elgato thing? Oh nice. Look at that. All right. I know how to do things
There's a little diagram here. Keep going. Let's go down to the diagram. This is a real scroll any slower. Holy
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so the one on the well you can see the bottom the cross-section kind of thing a fold that phones to a
Phone that folds twice and I guess the point here is you may not want a crease which seems kind of inevitable. Hmm a
a
Perceptible crease in the middle of your OLED screen. You might not want that in the middle of your OLED screen
You might want two that are kind of
Near nearer to the edges maybe a third from away from the edge that is less perceptible even though there's two of them
What do you think?
Well, I don't understand how this is going to be any better than
Some of the other folding phones we've seen so far
I mean like I I don't really feel super confident in any folding phone design until we see another one come out
Because the only one that we've seen come out is the galaxy fold and it was a complete disaster
Yeah, like I it's hard for me to get excited about this because like yes, it seems more
Efficient why is it that you can't use your imagination and make a determination? I'm just not very well
No, I I don't mean to be like that what I'm really asking you
What are what do you think are the questions that can't be answered like maybe one question is?
Is it gonna get scratched if it folds such that the screens on the outside?
hmm or
Okay, wait, let's look at that one more time because I'm kind of confused looking at it. So what's the outside?
This is the screen right here. I would think you can use your mouse. Yep this
Is that this that would be fully open and this is the outside that would be the outside. This is different
This is a different design. I don't know. I don't even know what figure one really is
I'm looking at 4a figure 4a
I think jumps from figure 1a to 1b to 4a well, we're looking at an article not an actual patent document. So
But if we look at the bottom diagram
I think that the screen would be inside of there to the to the top side of my magnifying glass right now
That would be screen the bottom side of my magnifying glass would be outside
Going on the inside of this curve would be screen now. That's a huge problem. Like well, how are they gonna?
How are they gonna do this?
Is there gonna be like felt on on this part of the phone so that the screen doesn't get scratched?
We're gonna be glass on to just be glass on glass glass on glass
That'd be okay, I mean that's I don't know like I mean it sounds dangerous
What if you know what the problem is is that if you get debris in there? Oh, yeah, then you fold the glass onto the glass
That's bad. That's not good. That's bad. The biggest problem I have with these things is do I necessarily want?
like
Matters never created or destroyed. Okay, it's just folded in this case
Am I convinced that I want the dimensions to be different than this this fits into a pocket. Okay. This is a pixel three
It's pretty much the smallest phone you can get anymore and it still
Fits in most front pockets of most men's pants that I wear it's actually still a little too tall for jeans
I have it like sitting down in jeans with this sucks. So do I want it to be?
Half as long but then twice or three times as thick in this case
No, I I don't and this is what's so weird about the whole folding phone trend
Is that for years phones have been getting thinner and thinner and thinner and like
Companies are boasting about we made the thinnest phone
And now all of a sudden they want to make folding phones and everyone like they assume that people are gonna be fine with having
like a chunky
Chunky boy in there in their pocket and I don't want that. Well, does anyone want that?
like this is what I'm trying to figure out because either they take a phone that's this size when it's
Unfolded and they just make it shorter and fatter when it is folded or they make a phone
That's maybe this big but thicker when folded but when unfolded is really huge and I don't want that either
I don't need a phone that like the galaxy folds is probably too big
I don't I don't want to hold a Sega game gear. See the galaxy fold I found interesting because
It was thick but it wasn't so thick that I couldn't
Conceive of having that in my pants pocket or in like, you know, the the demo guys kept putting it into there
That's a stretch. There's jacket pockets. Oh, yeah a jacket pocket. Yes a breast pocket on a button-up shirt
No, no, I can't even put this in there without it being have anything in there. Come on a pencil at best
But this is what's so interesting
with the whole Huawei thing because Huawei actually had a really good design for their phone like I liked their design way better than the
galaxy fold where it
Folded it was almost as thin as you know
Any random smartphone you pick up or or as thin as a smartphone with like with a case on it?
Yeah, because it ends up being thicker anyways, so I
Don't know. I mean so what has there been any information about this particular? Hold on
There's one other thing I want to talk about design wise this go back to the picture for us
Yes, sir. Another thing that annoys me is
These really gradual curves like on the I think on the Huawei design as well on all of them
They're not like hinges that close and seal completely like this such that the sides are completely adjacent to each other and a budding
Mm-hmm, they're they're kind of wedged because the screen can't full at such an extreme angle. It has to gently fold, right?
Yeah, so you end up getting this wedge kind of
Lloyd he's wearing the shirt. We don't have to both wear the shirt
Lloyd's holding up a shirt. He's disappointed. He's like I gave you this shirt to wear. Why aren't you wearing it?
Lloyd I'm representing two of your babies. We're individuals
Okay, we have personalities. I my concern is it will feel weird in your pocket
Or if I put too much weight on that wider part of the phone, maybe it'll bend it or something
And yeah, it just doesn't feel as clean as something that's just completely folded over right like the Huawei phone
That one's not completely full
But the screens on the outside so you don't need to worry about creasing the screen because the inside is completely flat
It's a complete flat crease and on the outside. It can be curved because it's on the outside
You know, yeah, I know you're saying bring up a picture of it. That's true
You see but then obviously those concerns about yours now your screens are on the outside
Yes, but I mean when I put this in my pocket, there's your screen outside your screens always on the outside
I don't put this in the same pocket as keys or nothing, right? No as me
Although, you know for some reason on jeans there's like a little stud kind of I don't know what that's for
Yeah, it's just like a vestige of like this what jeans look like to be cool
That's the main reason we rest I don't wear jeans anymore. But you know what I'm talking about the little metal kind of nipple
That's yeah at the top of a pocket usually on the right side
Sometimes I slide my phone in my pocket with the back toward that just in case or other little considerations like that other hazards
You're not gonna be able to avoid as easily
It'll be twofold. That's true. But uh-huh. Ah
We are the best
Unintentional I didn't plan that doom fun at all. Really? No, that was good. I'm glad that you have that much confidence
I mean I figured because like screen protectors are
They're easy, you know, and if you could figure out a
The the screen the folding screen you can figure out a folding screen protector
Maybe I don't I'm not an engineer. What do I know?
Okay, wait heating the displays crease what's this about? Okay, so that's a list of patents that Apple already made
Oh and some of them are more ambiguous like hey, we're patenting a folding device
We're patenting in a device that has its components in two different housing chambers. Okay fair enough
It seems like every folding one's gonna have that but they had some more specific ones that are interesting and like I
Guess they must have done enough testing to figure out that it doesn't the folding performance degrades and super cold
Climates, so I guess it would be you know more brittle less pliable if it's cold
So what they did was they have a patent for heating up the area of the screen
Where it folds and I think they did it just by turning on the pixels and just shining like the light at them
I haven't read the whole patent myself. I haven't even read the whole abstract. Oh, but that's that's what this says somewhere
Oh self-heated. Yeah, right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah
pretty cool
The portion of the display that overlaps the bend axis may be self-heated by
Illuminating pixels in the portion of the display that overlap the bend axis or maybe heated using a heating element or other heating structure
That's crazy. I don't that that
Like it there's obviously thinking about it to the extent that they apples thinking
who knows if level release one, but
Here's a question for you. Yes
Steve Jobs, okay
He seemed to have like vision
For each of the products in terms of what would like that 10 out of 10 version of this product look like
Like to him the 10 out of 10 version of a laptop was like a book, you know in the early 90s
he always wanted to make a computer that just looked like a book and you can carry it around right and then they eventually got
To do that with the iPad sort of yeah
So what do you think?
His idea of the optimal folding phone would be because I feel like when he's unveiling the iPhone 5
He's like this is the best phone design. There is it fits in your hand if we still had a
iPad jobs Steve Jobs. Yeah
Would he like folding phones or not?
I
Probably I mean this double I mean if the iPad was his idea for like because you know
You want he wanted people to have books? It's a folding phone. I don't know, you know, like I
Just it's hard for me to get excited about folding phones right now. Okay, the wallet cuz we all got excited
We all went there James and we know exactly got hurt. It's a it's new. It's a nascent category
Okay, check out that picture of the double folded
Folding phone kind of looks like a wallet. But the one that oh no, we're gonna update now. No, no
No kind of looks like a wallet and I feel like the his emphasis on a computer looking like a real-world analog object
You're already familiar with like a book. He might he might have thought hey looking like a wall. That's cool
You can it's the only thing you need to carry with you. You don't need your wall anymore
You have Apple pay but like wallets are only okay to be in that kind of fold position because you sit on them
I
Put my wallet in my front pocket. Do you yeah, do you have like one of those thin wall?
Oh, dude, I have a thin wallet too. Not as thin as mine
But that's why it's double okay for me to put it in my back pocket that puppy
Why would you want that in your back pocket pretty close now if this was a phone I could be even thinner than you
Oh, wow, look at that and guys that it's time to move on you're done bud. It's over
Yeah, what's next? Well, you get to tell me all about or what?
Do you want to talk more you got more to say about the folding phone? That's good
I think you love so much. I'm willing to try it. I'm not writing it off. I'm not hurt. I went in
It's like a relationship. I don't want to get hurt again. You know, it's it's toxic. It's not like you spent three grand on one
Well, I spent a lot of my time
Talking about it and reading about it
Let's move on. Okay, guys
You
Want to hear about game Xbox game pass for PC Microsoft everyone's like yeah, I can hear them
Microsoft oh
He would not who Oh
Steve Jobs, they're saying that Steve Jobs wouldn't like folding phone who said that the chat all of the chat some of the chat
I want names. Yeah. Yeah. Well, we got you see him rich. Oh, that's enough names
Sorry, I knew it was rich. I got a cerebral with all the fans all the viewers some
Okay, Xbox game pass for PC now
They're doing it and that's the main thing. That's a big takeaway. Okay, let me get this straight. What do you know about it?
Okay, here's what I know
I know that Xbox game pass is a subscription service, which I believe is $10 a month on the Xbox one
It gives you access to a library of games that library of game
It's just like Netflix but games that library of games gets updated with new games as I understand it
Microsoft tries to have launches be simultaneous. So if Forza 4 comes out
Independently, yeah, it comes out. It should launch with the same day on game pass
Also as I understand Xbox game studios title. Yeah, they have more control over those ones, right?
But I also understand that people are pretty stoked on game pass like the games on it don't suck
It's not like they're only indie games or something. Have they shown what games are on it? Game pass has been around for a long time
No, no, I know but but the thing is the thing that's weird about this and let me go to the PC version. Boom
The thing that's weird about this one is that it's not just literally the exact same program being ported to PC
It's a separate program for PC like with PC games. It's not like you're getting Xbox games on PC, right?
So it's kind of like well, are they gonna have good PC titles?
Like they have Bethesda in their deep silver devolver digital paradox Sega and then Xbox's own stuff that they are
Talking about right now. Mm-hmm. But like is there an actual list of games that they're gonna have?
They're gonna give us way more details. We think at e3
Okay. Yeah
The big part of this well, okay
So let's continue summarizing game pass like that's so that's basically what it is 10 bucks a month and you don't get to you
It's not streaming, you know, no, you can download them. You're downloading them. You don't own them, right?
You can play them and they can get removed from the game pass library if a game gets removed
Mm-hmm. They give you advanced warning. Yeah, it gets removed your save game remains
So you could in theory go and buy the game and you'll still have your saves. You're not gonna lose. Okay
Well, that's not so bad. That's not so bad
But you know
It's like any subscription service
Like now I'm gonna go on Netflix and I like I went to watch one of the Lord of the Rings like recently and it was
Gone. Oh, yeah, there's nothing I want
But there's some people like force it was a big one when it came out
For some people a new game comes out like that. It's gonna be 60 bucks
Yeah, that's six months of the service. Like the service is worth it for one game
It pays for itself after one game that you really like now if I'm not mistaken there are
Services like this on PC already like EA access. Mm-hmm, but I guess this will I mean
I wonder if there will be like cross
The
Contamination no, you know like it like games on but on multiple services
Yeah, so I Microsoft is still gonna be putting their games on other in other places like steam and stuff like that
Okay, well and that's the other big thing from this announcement is that they're gonna be putting more games on Steam
that's what excites me about this because
Before I think they have the Master Chief collection. They said was coming to Steam and I think Halo Wars is on Steam
okay, but
They have said Microsoft that they're going to be releasing more games in win 32 format
So they will be on Steam. They might be on other stores like the Epic Games Store or whatever. So
That is exciting to me because that means that Microsoft is actually starting to
Walk the walk now and not just talk the talk about how they want to care about PC gamers
Yeah, I think overall under Satya Nadella Microsoft seems to be kind of decoupling like they're trying to be less of a platform
More of a service they're trying to be less siloed. Hmm and more kind of
Modular, which is pretty sweet. I think it's working out for them. What I wonder about this announcement is whether
It's ever gonna be
One kind of harmonious thing with the console
You know what? I mean? I think that's their end game. How far away is that?
Well, that's this is the funny thing about is because that was what the whole point was of making Universal Windows apps and
Putting them on Xbox and the Windows Store. Mm-hmm
So but everyone hated that because you can only go buy these games like you can buy the game on PC
But you can only go buy it from the Windows Store in
UWP format which you know, you can't like you can only launch it through the Windows Store
It's not like there's all these janky things about it. Yeah, so now they've basically this is them basically saying yeah the whole UWP thing
Yeah, we're that's
We're kind of done with that. Yeah
and so
Yeah, what does that mean for their end game when if they want to make games basically just like you buy the game you have
It on Xbox you have it on
Microsoft on PC like eventually the idea is but on Xbox you have it on
Microsoft on PC like eventually the idea is that
Those won't even be separate files like an Xbox is just gonna be another
I mean, it's gonna be interesting when they launch the next Xbox to see whether it is like a
Console subsidized PC whether it's just like a PC
Well, here's an extra data point for that theory, which is something called Xbox game pass unlimited
Which is it's announced but it's not out yet. I keep I forgot the stream was on the document
It was just looking at the document the whole time. Yeah, dude. No now they know all of our secrets
Oh, no, that's okay. But it's just a little look. It's boring if you're gonna talk for a long time
It should be on your face. You should be on your face. I am on my face. I'm under my face
Okay, so Xbox game pass
Ultimate isn't it is announced not out yet
And what it is is it's essentially just a bundle of Xbox Live gold and Xbox game pass. Oh, it's not really cheaper
Okay, so game pass is what 10 bucks a month for 120 a year and then Xbox Live is also $10 a month
If you pay month by month, but if you buy a year up front, it's 60 bucks
so if you take the cost of a year of Xbox Live up front at $60 and you add that to
$120 of Xbox game pass for a year that equals $180 which is the exact same annual price as game pass ultimate
Oh, so there's not really any savings except for you know, if you're the type of person who does get month-to-month Xbox Live
It's a saving in that way and you have more freedom because you can cancel it anytime. You're not kind of locked in. However
there's an there's now rumors that
that
Ultimate is gonna include with no extra cost Xbox game pass for a PC. Oh
So then it is a saving okay, that is a deal
Yeah, and it's also it's also interesting from a strategic point of view
Cuz I don't get it. It's like why did they do that? Did they do it?
To sell more Xbox game pass
Subscriptions did it because it's not helping you sell Xbox the more people that you have
using
Your platform. I mean like if somebody has an Xbox and a PC and they sign up for it and they're you know
Using your Xbox but then like oh their brother's using the Xbox so then they go to play on the PC
They can technically say that's you know, too
Like this many people are playing on PC
You know when really that person mainly got it for Xbox and they decided to play it on his PC a little bit, too
like I'm trying to figure out if they're trying to drive more customers on the PC end or if they're using
PC players and driving customers on the console end or kind of both or what the big idea is
I think it's both. I believe it might be one on the short term and a different one in the long term
I think that this might be just part of Microsoft's push that they're doing right now to
Like make people like them again
Hey
You want a game pass? Well, you can have it on Xbox and PC. Please use our products
You can have it on a Nintendo switch, please buy Xboxes because we don't have good
Exclusives
Hey, they don't
Playstations got all the good. I was an Xbox guy my whole childhood. Okay. I've never had a PlayStation
But I recognize that they have better exclusives. That's just the way it is. Yeah, it always has been
Okay, moving on
We got to keep it moving here James keep it going here unless unless people have something in very important to say about
Oh
I got stuck in that the chat got stuck way up there
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So the context here, I'm sure a lot of our viewers know this DeepMind is a subsidiary of Google. They make
Primarily use machine learning to make AI
They are advancing AI via gaming because the world of gaming have these really discrete
Scenarios that you can control you can control a number of variables
It's a lot simpler than trying to make an AI that can just live in the world on planet earth like we can it's a good
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Don't know. I don't know if this is scarier or not by virtue of it being in 3d
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Don't don't in Starcraft. You know you can from these tell units to go places from DeepMind
I believe it is I can't speak to whether or not there are other
3d game playing AI I suspect there probably are they're probably not as good as this one like the regular AI in every
Shooter game, but this is different
But those aren't those are programmed they're not like yeah, those aren't conscious like this one is they're running yeah, those are running scripts
They're not they didn't teach themselves like the way that DeepMind trains us is just aren't we just running scripts James
Oh
No, I wish we had a like a replica pistol that I could just cock and point at my
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It wasn't even taught the rules. It's put into the game space
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Yeah, go to us where I start scrolling like crazy
Sorry if that irritates anybody where I'm just like scrolling through the article this machine is playing against itself, okay?
It's learning the rules by playing against itself. It's learning strategies by playing. It's against itself. It's playing against itself 200,000 times
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's crazy
And I couldn't find some thing
Saying how long that took it to play 200,000 matches because I know that with the dota one like it
It'll play like a thousand matches in like 10 minutes or so yeah, yeah
Like something ridiculous like that so like when it when it had played a hundred thousand matches it beat
Humans like okay, but then when it would crush me after that by the times it doubled that match count
It would it was just like destroying everybody yeah, so what they say is that it was beating
I think they were doing 2v2 and
Two humans yeah 2v2 two bots versus two humans humans got on average
They were playing capture the flag they got on average 16 fewer flags per game per game
Okay, I like I guess they didn't have any flights. You need to win
I guess they didn't have a cap on how many flags you can grab I've played quake
Land parties here with all with all of us, and I don't think anyone got like 16 or 20 points
It must have been like a timed game or something it seems like the the purpose of this whole setup was not to
Have the bots win, but just to humiliate the human player
Well, it's really cool. How they how they did it
They did something called like a an evolutionary or genetic approach to the training so
They they have multiple like iterations of the machine like the game is populated only by different iterations of the machine
Yes, no, it's not learning against human players. It's just all
Deep minds in there, and then whichever ones suck
Just get destroyed their their code gets discarded
They mutate the remaining code
Which makes it kind of like a random new around a mutation just like an evolution
And then if that is better then it gets to stay so when they when these machines first plop into the level
They first just they first figured out the concept of I have a base
This is my base then through more playing they figured just figure that out. Yes. This is my base
Yes, and I'm blue. It's blue, and then they figured out. There's another base. There's an opposing team's base
Then later they figured out it's advantageous to kill the other players
Like they have to go through the entire thing so they didn't tell them any of this no
That's and that is what is truly horrifying not
Horrifying like fascinating, but it's like it's kind of like that sick fascination when you're watching a horror movie and like the the bad guy
Is like eviscerating somebody in like a really unusual way, and you're like what is he doing?
Do you know what eviscerating means taking your organs out doesn't okay? I thought you just you do know okay?
You know interesting way like there's I thought you met well
You can just grab the organs or you can be like you know you can draw yeah, you can do it on there
Anyways, it's that kind of horrible
Yeah, where I'm just kind of like they taught themselves
And then they learned Shakespeare or something or they or they wrote Shakespeare that was the difference between alpha go and alpha zero
I mean Shakespeare's yeah, I thought you're saying no
I mean like eventually if you leave them in the quake simulation for long enough
There's a whole civilization a hundred monkeys typing on a yeah on typewriters
Yeah, eventually difference between alpha go which was the original chess playing one and alpha zero was with alpha go
They taught it the rules of chess, and they gave it matches
a historical matches between pros and they got to observe human players and then learn from there with alpha zero they were just like
Play yourself, and I just figured it figured out the game and then at the end
They say and it sounds like this congratulations you played yourself
We're all losers I've learned how to do puns while working here. Oh
You don't have more things. No. That's all I had time to put in today. Oh really
Yeah, we can keep talking, but there's you know there's more topics at the bottom, so I figured we can lean on those
Which is where we are now?
No, but there's more interesting question than how will this affect game design because well, let's not get there yet
Let's go to the previous question which is how I think leads into the second question
How will human players use AI yeah because think about when when there became AI it for chess like you can play
Just against the computer when you're playing chess
I think a lot of people do that a lot of people train that way a lot of beginners do it, too
You don't have anyone to play with right?
What's it gonna be like when?
Let's say it's Starcraft. You're playing Starcraft and the best Starcraft player is the AI
Like this this machine learn strategies, right yeah
and you would think that it would kind of converge on an optimal strategy and then so if the pros are
Our training by playing AI and not training by playing humans, then the pros are gonna mimic what the AI does
and then all the humans are gonna be trying to play like the AI and
Then that kind of makes you think okay does that mean that?
The AI has found the best strategy for that game like for example if you're talking about a game like Starcraft where there's myriad
Strategies you could go they could go brood lords, or you could go hard roaches or whatever if you're a Zerg player
James used to play Starcraft
This one would be like okay every single time you should this is the build you should do
Yeah, and if your game is like that where there's only one like the meta is limited. There's this is the way to play
Well, I feel is that a worse game than a game that where like actually there are multiple ways you can go
And it's always interesting and is that gonna impact game design going forward well
I feel like in games already in professional games if there
becomes
If a situation arises in which a certain meta is always being used by everybody all the time
Then that is an indication to the developers that they need to like nerf or buff something Simba
Imbalanced yeah
See I'm dropping I used to game. I know some games all you haters
Yeah, so like I feel like that's that's a problem regardless of of whether there's AI or not in the in the system
you know like if everyone starts using one strategy that means that that game needs to change or
It's not a good game
Yeah, yeah in in games generally that's called the the size of the book so the reason that chess is a more interesting game than
Checkers is gonna have the bigger book if you go to a checkers tournament and the same size board though
It's near yeah
If the pros in a tournament play like 42 games in a row
Yeah, 39 of them will be a draw like and they're playing the exact same game every time
because there's no opportunity to go out of book because there's just not that many combinations of moves that make sense to make but
In chess and go as you've heard people like to say these things like there's more chess
Combinations than there are atoms in the universe and stuff like that and it's true
And that makes it more interesting games because once you get like a hundred moves into the game
You can be out of book. You can be into all new territory. This is now now
we've we have
AI's now that can go off book, you know
Like like that was a that was an example in chess where like one of the AI started using
Strategies that like no one had really seen before in novel
Yeah, so are we gonna get to a point where people don't even want to see?
Humans play each other in these games because it's not as interesting
well, because I wouldn't want to see like I wouldn't be interested in seeing like
Well, maybe I would actually I was gonna say I wouldn't be interested in seeing robot like basketball players or something. But like I
Disagree that it's I think I would want to see that I disagree that it's less interesting and here's why
When when this quake machine plays? Yep. Okay, it may be developed a really great strategy
but
How good is it at aiming? It is as good as they program it to be at aiming
That's a good, you know
The point of like the beauty of a really good pro human player is that this person has awesome reflexes
This person can just click on heads all day. Whereas with the machine. They're just gonna say
You're you're like radical is this big the probability of you getting a headshot is X and that's just set and that's gonna have to
Be set between all the different machines that play each other
See now this so this is what the study says about the abilities of the AI versus the humans
At close range the AI excelled in combat, but humans were better snipers
But that's tweakable. It is tweakable
But that's because its reaction time was half of that of humans in part because its accuracy was 80% compared to the humans 50%
But this is only in this iteration of the game. They could change its accuracy. They could change its reaction time and everything, right?
Whereas with humans, you're just you have what you're born with or whatever stimulate you can put in your body that day
That's what you got, right?
And that's why it's interesting
Well, and this is the funny thing about any of this kind of like AI stuff. Is that like
They're beating humans
But usually the AI always has some sort of advantage like in that Dota 2
When we reported on or was it Dota 2 it was Starcraft. Yeah
in
the Starcraft story when open AI
No, it wasn't opening I know
It's deep mine
So what you're talking about is it had full map knowledge initially it had full map knowledge and then they took it away
And it did way worse. Yeah
But okay, it didn't have full map knowledge it had fog of war
There were areas that were unexplored on the map that it could not see
However, it didn't have a viewport like a human does right who has to pan around it had vision of the whole map at once
Which is yeah, totally not fair and I don't like that
So this is why I don't think that
Human play is gonna be less interesting and we're just gonna watch a tournament of robots. That doesn't really make any sense. Oh
dude
Let's talk about the dual screen laptops. Okay?
Bring
It on do you have anything else to say I watched Linus's video I said no, I think we pretty much covered it's it's an interesting topic
Do you know as I think that's super interesting because laptops have been completely stagnant in terms of design for so long
Intel came out and was like project Athena
It's gonna bits adjust as good as ultra books. It's another design initiative
It's gonna be really good, but it's like it didn't really get me excited. Which one was that project Athena? Yeah
That's just like another
kind of program that they're doing where
They have a certain set of requirements for laptops to hit like the ultra book program was started by Intel
They're like hey laptops are big and chunky. We want to make them thin
So they now what you think of as an ultra book a really thin and light laptop
That's because Intel kind of made a push in the industry to get manufacturers to start doing that
So project Athena is kind of like the same thing
But in terms of like performance and you know cooling capacity and that kind of stuff power efficiency
I don't know. Okay. I don't I haven't actually seen the requirements, but that's what I know about it. So
That was like, you know
they announced it and there's all it was almost like they were putting that up just to get people excited about it like to just
To have something to say because AMD was like, oh we have all these things going on and Intel was like, we're cool, too
Still they're like seven nanometers. They're like
We're cool. I wish that I wish people actually talk like that. Like you go to the AMD keynote
They're like, hey, welcome to the AMD keynote. Thank you for coming. Yeah. Thanks for coming. We've got a lot of cool stuff to say
I guess
Okay, so there's a few things I don't know maybe not everyone has seen this video but Zen book pro duo
Oh, you're gonna show us I was just gonna hold up. Oh, that's not describe what it looks like. What's it called? It's uh,
Okay, so there's a few things I don't know. Maybe not everyone has seen this video but Zen book pro duo
Okay, it looks like this. You got a laptop, right? You keep searching rally. I don't know what it's called. Oh honey
Glacier is what the heck that was Intel's Asus is the screen pad pro duo
Yeah, that just looks like this but it's got a screen here. Have you not seen it? Yeah, I watched the video
I said no, I think that's about the other one. What are you talking about? Are you talking about buddy?
Show your dude get us up to speed put that up put that up. There's things in the way
Oh this one was like it has hinges, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. This is weird Linus screen. Boom
Okay, look at this. Do not allow get out of here. You're not allowed make that bigger
If you guys haven't seen this you didn't watch you this what you reported on on Wednesday on techly
I know but I can't see pictures
So like when it's folded and when it's you know, just in normal mode like that that's basically what the a Zeus one looks like
Yeah, but see that little hinge there see this little doohickey
Yeah, I see you can bend that and have it kind of stand up Oh and it has like a little Microsoft Surface type kicks
Down at the back. It's that can support its weight. Yeah Wow, see, okay, if that ever wears out and gets loose you're screwed
Yeah, yeah, maybe another hand. Wait another thing to breathe
Do you think there's a little a vertically standing stick behind it like a like a post that's here maybe like
Actually, it's right there
Like the kickstand comes like this and then there's another one you slide up. Yeah, that's a lot of moving parts
Yeah, that would be jank, but I think seeing this is just like, you know as someone you do this, too
we keep on top of all the
changes in design and like iterations that people do to normal designs and this is like this is one of the things that I
It's one of the first things I've seen in a while that I'm kind of like, oh, that's okay
Yeah, I don't hate it because the dual screen thing without that extra hinge. Mm-hmm
I don't really get it cuz I'm like show us that one. Well, I guess you can imagine it basically doesn't stand
It looks like this. It looks like that. So Asus has a laptop that's like this
But I mean, I guess that makes sense if you're like hunching over your laptop, but that's not very ergonomic James
Linus said it was really cool. Yeah. No, I know
I watched that video where he was like into it and I think I said on my tech link that I'm like
I can't really trust him because it doesn't look cool to me
I don't think it's that on ergonomic because if I sit like this like I am now
Sometimes when I'm typing something complex for some reason I have to stare at the keyboard not because I'm looking where I'm typing
Just I don't know. I can't look at the screen
I have to just but what's better if I do that?
My neck is completely aligned and I'm looking basically at the hinge area of the laptop and that's where that screen is gonna be
Unless he was talking about putting your document actually at the bottom and having your other
Tertiary little supporting. Yeah screens up there and I can dig that but I'm just saying that like
from an ergonomic perspective
Would I rather have that or would I rather have this? Well, this is more options. Yes. This is but it's both
It's better the question. How much more is it gonna cost?
Probably more
Well, I don't know they don't
Pay how much more would you pay? I don't want to the same except for the help that has that
I don't want to pay anything $200. I just want to have it
appear
How much would you pay for this I didn't say that I said how much more would you pay well
I don't know. I need to know what the base price point is. Okay, so
Presumably these are gonna be like two grand at least I should hope so I
Mean there's more screen. Okay. I like one thing
I like about both of these is because there's a screen above the keyboard
It pushes your keyboard down closer to the rim of your yeah, you like a lot of people don't like that
I guess you don't you lose a wrist rest
You lose the rest rest and a bunch of these laptops that are coming out with these this new kind of push down keyboard are
coming with wrist rests
So I mean you have another thing to bring around in your bag. You're not gonna bring it around with you. You're not I'm not
What if they just had a little thing that slides out and a very thin?
Slides out tilts down put your wrist on there. Ah
I don't hate the touchpad on the right. I don't hate that. I like that a
lot of people don't like that
But doesn't make any sense to me because you're I mean why you want to move your hand further to the center
What do you mean? You mean which what do you talk some people don't like the touchpad being on the right?
It's going like that. Yeah
And I don't know why they don't like it
Do I do you think that the
Do you know with this one this design that you do like with the hinge
Do you know if it's binary or if it's a like continuous? Can I stand it and stop it at any point?
Along that along the way or it's either here or it's here. Well, I haven't seen really any views of the back. So
They're all stills, right? Have you seen a video? Let's go back. Let's see. I'm gonna get away from them
Yeah, he's gonna do some stuff here and I go some hacking guys
And also I wonder the part that stands up that has the screen in it. What's the internals there?
Is it super light and it's only screen? Yeah, look at this look like the back of a laptop. Look at this one
It doesn't look like there's any RAM or battery or really like a kickstand I think because if you look
at
This one. Yeah, those are different configurations
Yeah, but I don't think there's like a like you were saying there's a piece of clear acrylic right there
What we're just joking. Okay, just holding it up. There's just a square
No, it looks like that's just kind of you can you can do whatever you want with
Wow, this is really cool. I saw somebody on Twitter
I think saying that like eventually laptops will have like just keep adding screens
Just like go around you all the way. What is this though? Is that chin bar or is that just because they're watching YouTube or something?
Chin bar like that's dead space. It's dead space on the aces one
It looks like the screens are almost a budding each other. There's not a budding
Is that like Imba is that not a word they're adjacent. I'm not challenging you
I'm asking you what a budding a budding a be you
And then but just dee dee a budding no teas a bedding what no that's a different word eating in a bus
It's not the grammar show. This is the like third time. We've gotten into wordy. Oh
Man you really boil my gears sometimes James you really grind my eggs
I almost the boil. What is a budding? Oh my goodness. Let's look at a butt
And then hit images gonna search. It's one word a budding like that a butt
Garand be next to or have a common boundary with well
We learned something on the land show today. Don't say we see I
We all did I'm saying we okay the whole audience
Except there's no way anyone else knew what that word wasn't. It's not that obscure a budding is a thing
Yeah
Is that because the cheeks are next to each other yeah, yeah
It's like to make it like a but yeah make me to make as they but to be button like yes
It's to be a that's the etymology to bench
origin
How much longer do we do this Linus will be back next week
Yeah, it's been a stressful week he's been in Taiwan doing copy text up all week yeah, we've barely made it
We're down on the wire. We made it though. We filmed our last video. Yeah, we filmed a bunch of videos without him
Yeah, he's gonna come back and be like
What the heck one of those videos got shot moments before this plan show it was stressful you guys
But we did it we did it we're a group of friends
Who came down to get their accomplished goals? Yeah?
It sounds like this is we're ending it
Sounds like it just cuz we the way we're talking yeah, we're just not talking about anything important
What if we went for another five hours?
But we who's what we just us. We just kept talking like in these
Conclusion type tones the whole time so at the end of the day. I guess what's the next topic?
You want to do one more Oh super chats, let's just do super chat super chat fun
Hey, there's one. How do you get there? I never do this base at the bottom
There's a bunch just
Do we say the names Luis Gomez? Yes, you love turtles. Hey me too, buddy. I like turtles
Thanks for the super chat Drake Simmons is missing ltx this year a mistake can Riley promise me a high-five next year for missing this
One he's gonna Drake Drake. That's a hundred percent my dude. I will high-five you. He's at a Raptors game. He can't come
Say this is gonna be a great one. You should really come to this one, but I guess if you can't then
You're gonna yeah, it's that this year is gonna be awesome Ben Maitland. I've read the original paper the AI learns to aim
Okay learns to aim. Yeah. Oh, so it just didn't get good enough. Yeah. Thanks Ben
Bm says hi. What's up, dude? Love you learns to aim but can't it just it'll just be perfect eventually because there's no
Disconnect like for me the difference of being I don't want to get into this but the difference in games and story started
We give difference in games and sorry is that in a sport you have something in a game?
You have something you want to do and you can just do it like in chess
I want to move my knight to e4 I can just do that right but in football
I want to throw the ball that students to a grid space on the field and even though I want it to go there
My body says nope. It's not quite going there. Yeah, and your mind says yes, but your body says no
Yeah, you can't always execute what you want
Yeah, but the machine will always be able to execute what one so therefore it's it's less of a sport
I'm not saying eSports or sports
I'm not saying they're not but there's obviously human element where I try to aim somewhere and I don't click on your head even it
out we need to make we need to put the AI into a robot body and then make it you play the computer game with
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Why do you put a screen protector on it, why are they more useful I think he means they're unappealing
Surely they couldn't be more
Functional if they were glass set of plastic
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I guess well, maybe he was talking about AI
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