all right guys welcome to the WAN show it's September 13th Friday the 13th
yeah is the luckiest day ever if you're you guys because you get to sit and
watch us as well as our special guest Marcus Brownlee the one and only guru of
all things Android and actually a whole lot of other stuff as well so I'm really
excited to have him on the show by popular demand I mean when we started
taking guest requests one of the first and a lot of requests and a lot of the
other ones yeah pretty much all of them were were Marcus Brownlee we've also got
a really exciting show for you guys this week it's even more than usual there has
been a ton of stuff going on in tech one of my favorite ones at least is the
steam announces family and friends sharing so basically I guess I shouldn't
go into it but steam announces family and friends sharing which is share your
games kind of like we used to back when there was like a cartridge even in their
call-out they're like you can do it with other mediums so why can't you do with
this so we're gonna support it now wicked and yeah anyways of course
there's Apple's town hall event where they announced to the iPhone 5s and the
5c so that is the iPhone 5 sleep and the iPhone 5 crabtastic depending on what
you think of sort of the use of metal versus plastic materials I actually
already pre-ordered an iPhone 5c you I don't think notice you did okay you saw
that tweet not because I think I'm necessarily gonna switch to it but
because I want to try it I want to have the experience I want to do an unboxing
of it some more on that with our guest Comcast and Verizon have been very much
caught that maybe not necessarily throttling Netflix but certainly not
going out of their way in fact it feels like going out of their way and not to
provide the best service possible with certain video streaming services such as
Netflix so and like Netflix is trying as hard as they can to give them free stuff
to help it be faster more on that later we're doing the topic call-outs GTA 5
cost a metric button to make it actually cost more than every other video game
ever and almost every other movie ever Wow so without further ado really really
I did see there's always there's always something start when the scene loads and
don't remember playback position see there there that's that that's that
problem no no that's apparently that's not that's not the problem so without
further ado our intro which will happen at some point when finished rewind
because it hasn't it now hasn't finished so it doesn't know to rewind you have to
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just like flashes a lower third and then does nothing so I here's what we'll do
wait is that even playing so no audio oh I love this show this is like the best
show ever okay do you want to jump into one of our topics while I figure this
out so draw so people freaked out thinking that Dropbox was reading their
documents because there's a form of document I can't remember exactly what
it's called but it's like a honey pot so the idea is if it's open it'll call
home and tell the person that made the document that it was opened so hold on
sorry this was posted on the forum by James AJ and the original article was
that daily dot so guys you can you can check that out there yeah so basically a
user uploaded a whole bunch of these different types of files and one of them
was a doc at least one of them was a doc and the doc called home and he
basically demanded to know why it was opened because all the stuff going on
with the NSA and everything else people were kind of worried is is Dropbox
reading all of our documents so Dropbox responded by saying no it's being read
to generate the preview for the website if you go to Dropbox's website viewer
you can preview your files so they do actually have to be able to open it so
they can generate these previews so a whole bunch of people freaked out but if
you heard about this and freaked out here's a nice little update that we can
add most of these things that have been trickling out lately are all
negative and this one turned out to at least highly probably not be that
negative because if they're just generating a preview file it's not that
big of a deal those are those are our preview file coming our preview file is
amazing it's it seems to be like like a broken file or something so yeah I think
it's time to do the next topic here all right so we're jumping into my favorite
topic of the week which is steam family sharing which is actually not only
family sharing you're able to share with quote-unquote close friends as well I
think they're suggesting you only do it with close friends because how it works
is you add a computer to your allowed list so this reminded me a lot of the
two-step that steam currently has where you're adding computers to your steam's
allowed list yeah so I kind of think what's happening here is they're using
the same type of system and you're allowing friends to access your games
that way as well friends will be have their own achievement list and their own
save files for the games which is which is really cool because there's nothing
that really prevented you from sharing a steam account before other than well if
they have your password then they would be able to potentially you know change
your password or whatever else but now being able to actually separate even
things like steam cloud settings steam cloud settings achievements save files
everything it's freaking awesome like so stoked on this that is so cool I mean
the the thing to me about this is that it was a long time coming in my mind I
mean steam and valve they it feels like they were just kind of waiting for the
right moment because there's no reason with the digital distribution platform
that they couldn't have turned this on at any time but it's almost like they
were waiting for someone else to do something draconian and stupid like what
Microsoft was trying to do over the last little while with the Xbox one and then
just kind of dump on them why not it makes sense and a lot of the defense of
Microsoft's approach with well their initial approach with the Xbox one was
oh well it's not that different from what steam does more oh no you did it
because now it's completely different steam is allowing games to be shared in
a way that really discs can't even be shared no because you can like I could
share this with my friend in Minnesota like it's not really a big deal you
would actually have to physically mail discs to each other to make Xbox or PS
3 or PS whatever we're on now and a somewhat competitive platform compared
to what this is doing it's absolutely outstanding it's interesting I'm what
I'm really interested in is due to the account sharing idea are you gonna have
to like pseudo log into their account or what's actually gonna happen because
if you could both run the same game at the same time that I can't imagine they
would allow us to do I know but some games support local co-op so I'm
wondering if the games that support local co-op would allow you to play that
way that would be really cool my guess would be that it would be somewhat
dependent on the game developer themselves because you look at like what
EA did with origin where they're allowing refunds after whatever it is
the first launch within 24 hours or after seven days and they're only
offering that on EA games so valve probably doesn't have the well the might
to just kind of go oh well if your game supports local co-op then yeah and you
know multiple people can play it at the same time it also doesn't really give
too much clarification in terms of what these I guess I'll call them spawn yeah
spawns team accounts old reference guys yeah what kind of rights they have in
terms because they say family and close friends does that mean fairly vague
right now does that mean someone that you would trust with your password and
trust with the ability to change your settings or or what does what does that
mean I don't quite know I have no idea it really begs the question that's a
false statement but anyways it pleads the question and acquiesces the
question and suggests the question and eats the question for those of you who
are just sort of wondering what I'm talking about begs the question is not
technically correct and diesel or Edsel as he's going by these days is a bit of
a grammar not see though diva actually is probably a better word the correct
way to say what people are trying to say is it raises the question not any other
verb doesn't do those other things so yeah that's a verb yeah cuz I don't even
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we'd love to hear maybe some preliminary warm-up questions for Marcus Brownlee
and we can move into our next topic here so Yahoo's Marissa Mayer doesn't
want to go to prison evidently this was an article on daily tech and it actually
ties into the whole NSA and data spying and and who do you trust we actually
discussed man this must have been a couple months ago someone did an index
of which company yeah give your data which ones go to court about it which
ones eventually give up if there's a court order and so anyway what she said
is and I want to get this quote right because if I don't if I don't quote it
then I don't want to be putting words in her mouth if you don't comply it is
treason we can't talk about it because it is classified releasing classified
information is treason and you are incarcerated in terms of protecting our
users it makes more sense to work within the system so to paraphrase what
she's saying is we don't like it we're gonna fight it but at the end of the day
if we are going to be committing treason by withholding information that is being
demanded by the government and we're all going to end up in jail anyway then I
guess we better just do it because if we're not here to protect your rights
then we won't be here at all and they won't have any protection to which I
would kind of say bullshit now the article on daily tech was actually
pretty positive about it overall and kind of went oh well I guess their hands
are tied I don't agree at all because the reality of it is if the CEO of every
company that owns user data whether it's an ISP or it's Apple or Google or Yahoo
or Microsoft or any of these guys if the US government just started putting all
of their CEOs in jail that would not go it wouldn't happen we have to be
realistic the law is the law but nobody's going to do that that would be
insane like actually it would be completely insane how quickly would
Apple pick up their headquarters and move and just be gone what would that do
to the US economy if Microsoft Google and Apple yeah just left yeah so you
know what Marissa if you're watching and I'm sure you are which could you
call a bluff maybe and I mean here's another question is is it really is it
really the CEO of a company's responsibility to have to call a bluff
and potentially risk going to jail or even if they didn't put them in jail
some other kind of some other kind of punishment what do you think their
responsibility yes because who else are they gonna put it on in the company to
do that okay that point in time how do you make an employee possibly go to
jail but I mean here's the thing though is Yahoo is a publicly held company
Marissa Mayer is an employee would it be the corporate entity or person Yahoo
that should go to jail and how do you do that how do you enforce that yeah that's
interesting I have no idea but another thing that they could do is like she
could call a meeting between a whole bunch of these big people that are
possibly withholding information blah blah blah and all do it at the same time
because like you were talking about they're not gonna put them all in jail
they're especially not gonna put them all in jail all at the same time one at
once is a lot less scary than everyone so if everyone just kind of banded
together and refused to refuse to do this I just I I wonder if I wonder if
that kind of thing could possibly happen I kind of I kind of doubted a little bit
yeah I don't think it would happen at all speaking of totally evil stuff
that's going on let's move into our Comcast and Verizon now okay I apologize
because this looks like a bit of an inflammatory title on the thread created
by each on doe but thank you very much for posting it anyway Comcast and
Verizon throttling YouTube and Netflix usage while RCN which is a smaller
Chicago based ISP is letting it flow now it's more complicated than just
throttling or not throttling because throttling would imply they're actually
like specifically trying to slow it down yeah like traffic traffic shaping they're
saying okay this is faster this is not faster but what this actually looks like
is almost an even more ominous type of anti-competitive behavior where Netflix
in particular let's use them as the example so the original article here was
from Ars Technica just go ahead and check that out because okay so Netflix
Netflix great example for those of you who aren't familiar with Netflix the way
it works is the more bandwidth available to you the better your connection to
their server the better the image quality you know they actually scale it
up and down dynamically according to how great your your internet connection is
okay so Netflix is reaching out to ISPs and going look we know that the biggest
challenge is the the last mile so to speak so directly from you to your
individual customers what we want to do is we want to put our own caching
servers right within your facilities so that it takes some of the load off the
rest of your network infrastructure because they can just pull directly
which is the greatest idea ever for both teams like it costs Netflix money but
all their customers are happier yes so that's a that's an investment that's a
good thing and it's free for the ISP yes so basically so basically they said no
the charter horizon Comcast Time Warner look like they have just kind of gone no
we're not interested RCN said yes we are this is a regional chart as well there's
a there's a USA wide chart which shows Google fiber at the top who has adopted
this and what is it cables something I can't really name it also at the top who
has also adopted this so there you go guys average speed in megabit per second
RCN is able to beat out Verizon and Comcast by over 10% actually concat yeah
by over 10% which basically amounts to no matter what your ISP is advertising
to you in terms of you know an up or a down speed or whatever else certain
types of service actually just do put more load on their infrastructure and
they will operate slower than advertised speeds but they have a solution and
they're just not taking us taking it I love the way that Netflix is putting the
pressure on the ISPs by creating their index of ISP speed ratings according to
how well they operate with Netflix and making that information public because
the anti-competitive part of this is that these service providers also
happen to provide TV show service yeah via cable yeah so the only incentive for
them to not upgrade their internet service and allow users to get a better
Netflix experience appears to be to make their television service more appealing
than Netflix because even though they can't compete with on-demand they can
deliver much better image quality it's
Wow and I'm really glad that there are ISPs that are doing this because it
really blows this up and makes it very very public and the best part almost is
when you go to the USA wide chart because then you see Google fiber just
crushing everyone and Google fiber has been like doing this for a long time but
on this chart it's kind of ridiculous because Google fiber comes in at three
point five eight and then you go down to where does fiber Verizon finally show up
so Google fibers at three point five eight here do you want to send this to
me sure ISP speed index dot Netflix dot com slash USA so I'm just gonna I'll
just head over there manually it's pretty it's pretty short actually so
Google fibers comes in at number one at three point five eight Verizon FiOS
finally comes in at two point one four here we go guys pull this up for you
boom part of the thing when you're looking at this chart though is these
are average speeds so Google fiber is gonna have a whole bunch of people that
are going incredibly fast because it's Google fiber yeah but some of the
smaller guys and some I don't remember where it is but certain ones will have
people that are in more rural areas that don't have really fast speeds and that
will bring them down and that's true I mean we do have to without just sort of
saying yes all the ISPs are bad I mean they are all bad but without just saying
oh the ISPs are all bad you got to actually investigate the numbers a
little bit as well I mean I think it should be pretty obvious that if Google
fiber is available in your area you should probably get it probably get it
yeah that that should be pretty obvious but but with that said at least you can
use this Netflix index to figure out if the other ones are not that bad and
they're they're planning on releasing these more regional based indexes as
time goes on so if one releases for your area be sure to check it out and
then pick accordingly or at least have it sway your decisions lately because if
you're a Netflix user that could help put a bit all right our next topic here
guys oh man this is like this is so awesome okay so this was posted on the
forum by top war gamer go basically for anyone that shares my incredible
frustration of not being able to preload entire YouTube videos there has been a
fix which I'm super stoked about because I will often scrub through
videos and be like oh what was that and then have to reload part of it which is
incredibly frustrating because I've already loaded it and you know what
really annoys me about this by the way the original article was posted on life
hacker you know what really annoys me about this is when it halfway loads and
then you scrub to like three quarters through and and all of that just moves
out of the cash and I'm sitting here going what why please don't do that
please don't do that so anyway sorry go ahead so this is a simple browser
plugin so yeah simple browser plugin you're on multiple platforms and all you
have to do is once you install it go to YouTube click the little cog thing and
disable I can't know what's called but dash playback so you just disable the
dash playback which sounds like a good thing but no so I mean in their defense
while their dash adaptive streaming over HTTP while that may be more
efficient in most cases it's not necessarily helpful if you're sitting
you know on your laptop in your driveway connected to your Wi-Fi I mean come on
who hasn't done that and you kind of go oh I really wanna listen to that song I
don't have on my phone or I really want to watch that show that I've been
meaning to watch for a while being able to cache the whole thing so that when
you move away like you know that moment when the car starts moving you're just
like oh range I can still watch it yeah it's not over yet I run to this like not
even necessarily laptop because I don't necessarily know that many people that
have sat in their driveway on their laptop but phones as you're walking out
of the house like you have something on your phone you walk out of the house as
you're walking on the house you don't want it to lose everything no that's
absolutely fantastic so we're four minutes away from our guest let's do
that Twitter blitz that I promised to do apparently we have 12 new tweets only
you've got to be kidding me oh no there we go there we go all right hmm why are
next-gen CPU clock speeds so slow for example the Xbox one 1.65 gigahertz
really um well the cold hard truth is that the next-gen consoles are getting
mobile processors they're not getting desktop processors they're really not
even that powerful compared to previous gen they're basically uber tablets like
if you guys want my honest sort of here this is what you're buying for 500 bucks
or 400 bucks you could also buy a tablet for that and yes Xbox one and ps4 will
deliver better graphics than a current tablet but one or two gems from now on
tablets it's over nerds don't sleep at 1 a.m. awesome slick hickey tips is that a
hickey I tried I really tried it didn't work which I caught it like immediately
Wow so no story keep going really no story all right man I tried someone
asked our Nvidia cards worth it when AMD alternatives are cheaper really comes
down to what you want and the whole the whole landscape is gonna go like this
completely upside down in the next month so stay tuned guys Wow half of the
comments are on slick hickey tips and USB condoms was a USB condom involved
what do you think about phone blocks that's actually gonna be one of our
topics with Marcus Brownlee and we're real stoked to talk about that yeah
that'll be really interesting actually we aren't particularly gonna cover the
new Nexus phone but we can ask Marcus to give his thoughts on it someone says
thanks for having Marcus on Wow like half of the comments are about your neck
what's your what's your opinion on the new AMD AP use do you think it can be a
viable gaming computing platform for the near future I guess trick question
because both Xbox one and ps4 are running AMD's AP use it's a viable
gaming platform believe you me on a tight budget a series with a GTX 760 a
crazy choice I wouldn't buy an a series unless I was using the onboard graphics
so yeah how soon do you think the next is 5 is gonna come out okay so that'll
that'll be for Marcus I hear you're gonna buy an iPhone 5s do you trust
Apple and keeping your fingerprints safe what if the government demands it if the
government demands it Apple will have no way of giving it to them because the way
that the fingerprint scanner works is it's actually encrypted and stored
locally on the device as much as Apple might be pushing iCloud and Microsoft
might be pushing skydrive and Google's pushing their drive and everyone the
cloud this cloud that security is not necessarily a cloud friendly thing and
Apple actually did a great thing here with their implementation of the
fingerprint scanner I know there's a lot of fear-mongering going on NSA this
fingerprints not privacy that I mean have you ever gone through an airport I
mean actually what no I don't think it was the airport where I got my
fingerprint scanned I don't think so I've had it happen somewhere I have
multiple times yeah I've had my fingerprints my fingerprints yeah my
fingerprints are scanned already they've already got it so there's that um we had
a field trip in like grade two where everyone had to go get a fingerprint
scanned like mine's been scanned forever really okay well there you go okay so
so so there's that there's the fact that your fingerprint probably isn't that big
of a privacy thing anyway but number two is the fact that it's stored
encrypted only locally on the device Apple can't access it and unless you
like rip the a7 chip out of someone else's iPhone solder it into like
another one or something somehow like some figure out like a finger and it
doesn't even store the fingerprint it stores a hash which is just a value that
allows it to validate a fingerprint so they would have to reconstruct the
fingerprint from the hash that they pulled off the chip inside your phone
it's way too difficult I think is what he's trying to say is yes it's behind so
many layers of ridiculous that there would be many other ways that they could
get it that would be much easier yes okay so apparently we lost about 3,000
viewers because I'm saying that Apple's implementation might not be the worst
thing ever there's um there's some whole bunch of transcoding issues and stuff
oh come on twitch yeah there's only one so Marcus say hi to the WAN show and
maybe tell them a little bit about yourself as if they haven't heard of you
before yeah hello awesome okay so my I'm a youtuber just like you guys and so my
channel is youtube.com slash MKBHD and yes I see the chat people already know
but uh yes so I do videos on all kinds of consumer electronics tech stuff I
explain stuff I talk about stuff I review stuff and I also just talk about
random things that are relevant I do sometimes top five videos talking about
whatever happens to be exciting to me but uh yeah video person all right well
that's awesome so mr. video person there has been a fair bit of extremely crazy
news this week that has an awful lot to do with your area of I'd say I hate to
call something your area of expertise because I feel like that paints you into
a little bit of a box here but phones and mobile devices you are like the man
right now on YouTube and it has been a huge week shall we open with the Apple
Town Hall sure that works yeah so there's an Apple event this week and of
course every time that happens you know the whole tech world not even the mobile
world but the whole tech world freaks out and yeah just drops everything yeah
so the new iPhone 5s you guys talking about and 5c and then a little bit more
on iOS 7 and then they were done so they're gonna have another Apple event
later this year which I'm actually more excited about than this past one but
this one was just new iPhones and yes I did for the record order or pre-order my
iPhone 5c so that's where did you get I went with what I call Lumi a yellow
side me too yeah that seems to be the most popular one from what I've seen on
Twitter all right that's awesome did you get yourself one of the one of the
flexible silicone cases oh yes yeah the cheese grater case I got a black one me
too so it'll look exactly like a lumi and basically not quite all right
excellent so let's talk let's talk 5c a plastic I mean sorry polycarbonate for
the back is this a step backwards like are we going back to iPhone 3g sort of
era or or is this was this a necessary step um yeah I would say cuz the way
phones are being built now is changing a lot like this year by itself I feel like
we've seen a lot more colorful devices and that's kind of one of the only ways
you can effectively cheaply I guess make a bunch of colorful devices so iPhone 5
see is basically the iPhone 5 but with a different shell and they went with you
know plastic or polycarbonate to make that happen so now it's you know what is
a yellow blue green red and I want to say one other color I don't know if it's
a step backwards I just think it's it's a sidestep because the specs are the
same the battery might be a tiny bit bigger and it's just a whole bunch more
options and I think people like options I've been with Android for a long time
because I love options so we'll see how people react to it yeah it's a color
really a meaningful option to you I mean it's it's not like Apple's never done
this before one of the reinvigorating turning points for the company was the
launch of the iMac whose claim to fame and however much people might have made
fun of it at the time was the plastic colored backs on those CRT monitors that
were integrated into the computer I mean is this is this are we have we just come
completely full circle and we're gonna just start all over again yeah I I think
there are two sides or two stages of like a colored device stage one is
looking at all the different options and thinking wow I could have any of
those colors that's great I think I want to pick my favorite one and then stage
two is you bought one and then you're stuck with that color for the rest of
your contract and you kind of have to decide if you actually want to have that
color for the rest of your contract or if you're just gonna go with the black
or white one anyway and and just just go with the standard phone so just
accessorize it the same way that you always do I mean here's my HTC one for
those of you who watch my videos this won't be a surprise at all I do like
the whole idea of having colorful devices but I feel like integrating the
cheesy plastic into the product in the first place wasn't necessarily the right
the right solution yeah also pricing they came out with pricing of 99 for the
16 gig version and 199 for the 32 gig version totally unexciting yeah that's I
mean it's kind of underwhelming because same thing kind of happened with the
Moto X where people were speculating on oh this is gonna be that really cheap
phone this is finally gonna be super inexpensive and then it's not and we you
know we never got any confirmation that it would be so naturally everyone's
disappointed with something that we didn't know was going to be a thing or
not anyway so on my end of it I don't really care like I wasn't I wasn't
banking on it being really cheap but I can understand a lot of people who were
assuming it was going to be free now being a little bit disappointed when I
first heard of it I definitely thought it was gonna be free because it looks
like the cheaper consumer model and it looks like the type of device that was
tuned to someone that would not care as much about this was very early on before
we knew the specs were basically the exact same but it looked like it was
tuned to someone who didn't care as much about the specs and wanted something
colorful but it's not and I mean to me though I think one of the most
ridiculous things about this is the fact that Apple is completely ignoring the
used market in a way that I mean I guess not everyone is willing to pick up a
used iPhone 5 when someone else in their family upgraded to a 5s or whatever the
case may be but the way that they've priced this less expensive alternative
really makes other phones much more attractive options to me even if it's
something like an older iPhone yeah yeah I'm seeing like I'm seeing other phones
that that would definitely be more even like a lot of people are gonna just go
with it anyway because it's an iPhone but when you take a step back and look
at the other phones and the way it's priced with you know other $99 phones
there are way better choices for $99 and there are also great cheap phones that
you would probably go with if you're considering a whole spectrum if you
really want a free phone there are great choices already absolutely okay I mean
and that was pretty much it for the 5c wasn't it yeah I did you watch did you
watch the official Apple video on the 5c I did I watch wasn't it painful oh my
god well first of all that whole case thing by the way I mean can I just for a
second say how that case is awful if I was if I was working at Apple I just
have my head in my hands like what who what the whole cheese good thing but
that's another story and then it's gonna get so dirty I mean yeah there's gonna
be like junk's gonna get in there and yeah sorry go ahead go ahead yeah no so
I'm not a fan of the case but the iPhone 5c the color combo is like I keep going
back to the Moto X because I feel like that's that was a pretty solid stepping
stone in terms of customizable phones my Moto X is black and yellow and it'll be
black and yellow forever but if I want to grab another case for a phone or an
accessory for a phone and that'll you know accent it up for maybe a couple
months or maybe just one day or whatever I want that's I guess more expensive in
the long run when you buy more stuff but it's also way more temporary and if you
get sick and tired of something you can switch it out so and it's an incremental
expense I mean it's one thing to to drop however many hundreds of dollars on the
phone and the case and the charger and the HD my dongle and all of that all at
the same time but I think that the market has shown again and again and
again that it's willing to accept smaller transactions or micro
transactions along the way versus a huge upfront cost so basically I guess your
thing and actually my thing as well is love the idea of the 5c and the cases
and the official Apple accessories I mean they've done this kind of thing
before like with their iPad covers and not that kind of thing but just the
implementation you kind of look at just shake your head yeah I mean I'd say the
only worst thing I've seen out of Apple was the last time they did an iPhone
case which was the bumper yeah yeah that was kind of a necessity I wouldn't
consider the the cheese grater case which I'm gonna refer to it as that from
now on I wouldn't consider that and a mandatory accessory to your phone but
it's an it's the first party option which is what a lot of people are gonna
see when they walk in the store so I thought they really could have done that
a lot better and did it just seem like like the script for that video they were
just kind of dying inside justifying the unapologetic plastic yeah that might
have been the first time they read the script and they were just not happy but
you know that that guy I feel like it was was it Phil Schiller that said that
in the video like he's always spoken that kind of way in his videos and he
kind of has to say it when you think about it the whole Apple event is
basically an ad because the only people watching that are those who are looking
for more information about it so they they kind of have to talk about it that
way and it's it's now beautifully sculpted poly unapologetic polycarbonate
like yeah we get it it's plastic but that's what it's gonna be I mean with
that said I have encountered better made plastic devices than other worse made
plastic devices mm-hmm they have a point but until I actually have it in my hands
I'm not quite sure what I think about it yeah yeah okay so why don't we move on
to 5s how excited are you about this device um I'm actually less excited
about it than I am about the 5c which might sound weird on paper but I know
it's because the display size of the iPhones in general has always been like
a thing for me like I don't like the the smaller screen on the iPhone so when I
hear newest highest end Apple flagship I would be excited for something with a
larger display but again it lets me down the biggest in that department with a
fourth display so okay well I'm gonna play devil's advocate with you for a
minute here and I'm gonna go okay something like the HTC one which I use
and enjoy and I love every day like every day anyway you know like I love it
is too big for my hands and I'm not the only person in the world with small
hands now I've seen your baseball glove glove like miss and they're big so for
you something like a galaxy note even probably wouldn't be that difficult to
handle but for me something like an iPhone particularly without the UI
changes they've made an iOS 7 where you no longer have to reach up into the very
top corner to access things from time to time an iPhone was perfect because I
could actually touch the whole thing and many cultures for example or many other
races of people such as over in Asia have lots of people with relatively
small hands is Apple not necessarily wrong to keep with a smaller form factor
I think a lot of the reasons why it's still in that body is because the 5s and
I'm I'm more excited for the next iPhone because that's gonna be a bigger jump
I'm a big fan of the size of the Moto X and it's it happens to be a 4.7 inch
display the same as the HTC one but it is a lot smaller in the hand and smaller
phone and I feel like anyone with any size hand can easily reach all four
corners of the display so I'm a fan of the form factor I'm holding it out like I'm
showing you but I can't show you but it looks it feels like that's about the
right size that a lot of people like and it's a phone that I recommend to a lot
of iPhone switchers but yeah you're right there are a lot of people who are
gonna look at something like the galaxy s4 and go that's just way too big I
would never go with a five inch phone and that's totally acceptable and I can
see I can see why those people will stay with an iPhone we've been very sorry go
ahead we've been very focused on the hardware so far but what about something
like I work I mean you're a Mac user which is part of the reason why even
though guys just a reminder the land show is powered by Razer comms and bloop
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us today is you don't have a Windows PC running a hackintosh yeah I work is I
work poised to take on Google Drive and Microsoft Office with Apple's
introduction of I works as being completely free on iOS 7 yes so I I look
at that from like there's two ways or two sizes that could have an effect on
the first side is like the consumer side like you and I and students and and mom
and dad and people who are just using it to get stuff done and I think that
absolutely has a huge effect on on all those people because now it's free and
it's absolutely has the same functionality of all those other
services but then there's the other side which is like the business side and the
enterprise side and university side where all these guys especially I'm in
university right now and they like they make us use word 2007 like you have to
use word 2007 and excel 2007 and it's a compatibility issue if you if you use
anything else there's macros and all kinds of plugins and stuff built in that
don't work with the newer versions so even if it is free and even if it is
just as functional it's a bigger deal to switch users like that over to a new
platform even if it is you know the cheapest thing in the world but even if
it's difficult is it bound to happen eventually I mean it was you know when
back when I was in university the campus-wide Wi-Fi was wireless G and
therefore it could never be upgraded right but of course yeah it will at some
point and is Apple positioning themselves as a viable alternative at
this point yes they are but it's also going to move alongside OS 10 I guess
with that that whole market share is that the right the right word to use
because you know these people have to switch to OS 10 before they can switch
to I work and a lot of the people have a cloud version of I work that they're
true that they're working on and they're making it available I mean that'll make
it available across every platform and also I think ubiquitous then all of a
sudden it's not tied but the market share of when it's a cloud-based
application will it be drawn back like the other ones and then not used nearly
as much just like all the other ones depends on how they want to see this
depends on the user yeah like Google Drive I believe you can export like a
regular Google Drive document to a PDF or to a format that word can handle just
fine but uh yeah all right let's talk about the juicy fingerprint scanner oh
boy okay I'm gonna I'm gonna preface this I'm super stoked on this and I'm
super positive about it and it kind of sounds like you're not so hit me no I
actually like it so the first time I had a biometric fingerprint reader in a
device was not the atrix like so many people are referring to but it was my HP
pavilion dv7 T so it's the laptop that I like first started making YouTube
videos on it was like a desktop replacement laptop in 2009 and on the
bottom right corner in you could use that you know biometric fingerprint
scanner to log yourself not only into Windows but into like a whole bunch of
stuff within Windows within Internet Explorer within you know all these
different applications so I really liked it and I use it all the time when I
switched off of it I kind of missed it for a little bit but then didn't care
anymore but with Apple I feel like it's one of those things where once you get
to using it and once a whole you know the several million people that are
inevitably gonna buy this phone start to get to using it they're gonna look
around at other choices and say well I can't switch I love my fingerprint
reader I can't not have it anymore so it's a big deal I'm excited for it I'm
excited for other manufacturers to start trying it because that's always what
happens I wonder who's the first one to attempt to get back into this whole
fingerprint reader on a phone thing maybe moto again maybe someone else but
it's funny you mentioned that because it seems like it must have been about 20
minutes after Apple talked about their 64-bit processor that Samsung came out
with 64-bit on the next one everyone just hold off don't buy it don't buy it
yet yeah yeah I know that's that's the Apple effect it's kind of has a ripple
effect where the the closest competitors will immediately start to work on things
that compete with it or leapfrog it and then you see that effect kind of get
carried out into everywhere else but I think the fingerprint reader is gonna be
one of those things that we start to see pop up more I think I absolutely I
absolutely love it and I'm gonna give you kind of a weird perspective on it
because my iPhone 4 which I still use as an mp3 player because I hope HTC is
not watching right now but guys the onboard audio on this thing is just
terrible like it's just awful anyway so I use my iPhone 4 as an mp3 player and I
still use it a fair bit now I have it set up to wipe if you try to unlock it
more than five times or whatever their number is I have a baby he gets my phone
sometimes and if he sits and attempts to unlock the iPhone he's figured out you
know swipe the bar like that's how intuitive Apple is and for that matter
Google he can open Candy Crush now on my wife's droid DNA wow it's crazy it's
like 16 months old you're like holy crap anyway so something like a fingerprint
reader built into the device saves me from my phone being accidentally wiped
by my my kids accidentally trying to access it so if I use that instead of a
passcode that wipes it it also is both exciting and terrifying both as a
keychain so using it as validation and authentication for a whole bunch of
other stuff but also the convenience of it is just scary what does this do for
something like App Store purchases because it'll prevent things like
unauthorized ones but it will make making an App Store purchase that much
easier yeah so this reminds me all the things you just mentioned to remind me
of the face unlock that was in Android when I first got introduced in Android I
think 4.0 and it was it had a lot of the same pros and cons where oh what does
this mean for security and I guess you know theoretically you can't get locked
out of your phone because you can only look at it once home but it's it never
got built like deeper into Android like it never got thrown into the Play Store
where you can use your face to buy apps and use your face to unlock things the
way that Apple looks like they're planning to with iTunes and things like
that so it's a more interesting story with the fingerprint reader because that
has way deeper implications when I start to use it more and the facial
recognition was very easy to bypass actually and that's one thing about the
fingerprint scanner it's really not right now this is actually I don't know
if you've seen this but this is a fantastic Mythbusters I'm gonna play I
guess about a minute and a half of it here we go so now Apple actually
acquired a company so they should have in theory some of the most advanced
fingerprint recognition so they're reading subdermal data they've got a
sapphire lens that focuses it perfectly etc etc etc but check check this out
let's go ahead and play this guys ready yeah we've been working on this for days
and I think we have a couple things that might work cool okay well they're trying
to defeat a fingerprint door lock hey I patented him a heart thumb
this is a thing that fits over his thumb sets and tries again but nothing with
this technique dribbling towards busted Adam tries licking the latex and he's in
he has set off the next alarm but the fingers been foiled that is latex glued
to my thumb but they're not stopping there well that's one down shall we try
all of our other techniques next up it's Jamie who's made a regular ballistics
gel print of grants though and guess what
at this point the one we bought for the computer is a lot harder to break than
this one yeah well I say we move on to the copy paper now with everything they
do working the team goes for broke by trying the photocopy of grants print no
warmth and no pulse just a licked piece of paper so hopefully everyone everyone
enjoyed that clip where ultimately there was a fingerprint reading door lock that
didn't even manage to that managed to be defeated by a lick piece of paper so
earlier on in the clip you guys should definitely check it out is myth busters
fingerprints busted HD they show how they acquired the thumbprint and it was
just by having him copy a CD and he left it on the jewel case okay and so
with that they were able to defeat it that easily I'll be very interested to
see myth busters or someone similar take a crack at the iPhone 5s
implementation but at the same time though I think it might be harder to do
that than to just figure out someone's typed in password to be completely
honest on a phone so many people do it out in the open it'd be so easy well
Apple's claiming that their sensor will look for signs of life okay as well as
reading some there's the conductivity ring on the outside for one which is
pretty easy to bypass but still but anyway I just thought that was kind of a
thought that was kind of a fun video right there so I asked folks on Twitter
to tweet us any questions that they had for you so our whole concept here is we
do what we call Twitter blitz and answer the questions as quickly as possible and
then try to move on to the next one are you game all right all right so let's
just see if we've got anything directed at you here okay something about size
okay come on okay I mean a lot of the time people kind of forget about it and
then they'll they'll tweet us again so we'll go ahead ah ask Marcus about his
appearance on the verge go um I hosted a 90 seconds on the verge episode and I
will be hosting more and that's a thing now that's incredibly cool yeah that is
incredibly cool so is this part of a more a more involved partnership with
the verge or is it more like you're on it like a talent contract yeah it's
essentially unannounced but basically we're working together behind the scenes
as like option two what you just said sort of a talent for plus network
collaboration I guess is the right word so yeah I'll be I'll be making
appearances and more verge stuff as well that is a incredibly exciting
congratulations the verge is a big deal and you're officially a big deal by
proxy although you were kind of already thank you all right let's see if anyone
has gone ahead and hit it okay Nexus 5 Nexus 5 looks interesting I like what
I'm hearing in terms of like build it looks like it's gonna be loosely based
around the LG g2 which I'm looking at right now and I love the front of so
that's good news but we'll have to see like all the other things that Nexus
devices never do well like the camera and things like that need to be verified
before I can say that I would definitely want to buy a device like the Nexus 5
all right what's your take on the Ubuntu edge I was really disappointed that it
didn't happen but it it had like so much promise that I feel like they're gonna
do something about that project anyway like there was so much interest in it in
the first place that they might as well follow through with something related to
it do you think in the back of their minds they knew it wasn't gonna work I
think so yeah okay and even reading some of their language and like the press
releases and the updates in their their emails I feel like they knew but they
kind of had to phrase it in a way that made it sound like they had all the hope
in the world that it would actually happen but it didn't it seems like more
what they cared about was breaking records and getting press going about it
which they which they definitely did I mean they raised almost 13 mil yeah
after the point where they like you know there wasn't really enough time to to
actually complete the 32 million dollar goal they kind of focused they shifted
their focus more to all the support they've gotten and how remarkable it was
that they'd gotten as far as they did anyway yeah so how do you afford all of
your tech goodies a whole lot of buying and selling I guess there's a whole lot
of circular transactions going on where I'll buy a device and review it and then
when I want to buy another device to review I'll sell the one that I no
longer use and kind of circles in and out all right Apple keeps the screen
small so they don't have to up resolution etc etc ok is the bear
dynamic custom one pro still your preferred headphone I switch back to the
ATH m50s not too long ago because there's a red and black version now so I
picked that up and of course I love red and black so couldn't say no to that
okay not mentioning this anything you feel that okay oh yeah okay that's done
let's see if we've got a couple more and then we'll move on to phone okay well of
course we get a tweet about phone block head you've heard about this right yeah
okay let's we'll talk about that after let's just see if we've got any thoughts
on GTA 5 and you're not much of a gamer are you no I'm not much of a gamer but I
do like like the only type of game that I play is racing games so if I were to
consider like a Grand Theft Auto that's a little bit of a stretch but like I'm
looking forward to the fours days and the I guess other driving games like
Forza basically when the new consoles are out well 64-bit processors on mobile
really make a difference not now but later yes actually this was something I
had in the in the town hall topic so I'm gonna go ahead and I'm gonna kill the
Twitter blitz for now and let's go ahead and chat about 64-bit a little bit I
feel like the way that Apple moved to 64-bit on the desktop and on their
notebooks was a lot more elegant and a lot less fragmented than the way that
Microsoft and sort of the Wintel Alliance handled it on the PC side do
you expect to see the same degree of of I guess seamlessness on the mobile OS
and do you expect to see the same degree of fragmentation on the Android side
where no one seemed well I suspect Google much like Microsoft has had to do
we'll have to support 32-bit and 64-bits a future OS is for quite a long time to
accommodate that wide variety that happens to be out there yeah I would say
yes and yes and on the Android side it's kind of weird because like you said the
changeover from one OS to the next is always really slow on Android devices
like no matter where you go if you're not a Nexus it's gonna be a slow
changeover so yeah over and over again iterations are gonna have to be either
supported in both 32-bit and 64-bit or just dropped altogether and I don't
think they want to drop 32-bit so fast that they piss off developers Apple on
stage Apple on stage kind of made it seem like they're doing this to make it
easier for developers like in the long run like just locking it in and making
sure it works for everyone but yeah on the Android side it'll get a lot more
interesting and I think fragmentation is a good word to describe that I mean I
think one of the things that I enjoy so much about iOS I mean if the 5s knocks
my socks off I may switch back I'm not married to Android I'm not married to
iOS and one of the things that I like so much about it is how tight the
experience is there's no such thing at well okay to a lesser degree as
downloading an app from the App Store and it just doesn't work on your device
mm-hmm I suspect that that's gonna get five to ten times worse as we go through
this 32-bit to 64-bit transition on Android and I suspect some people are
gonna be turned off by it do you think people will just kind of power through
it or the way it is now I guess so that's the only way we kind of handle it
now is just if it doesn't work oh well and if it does work thank God it works
because that that changeover is always slow although I have a feeling like with
right now with compatibility problems usually it's unforeseen but with a 32-bit
versus 64-bit comparison it should probably know before you try to install
it yeah yeah it should be able to detect and be like actually this isn't gonna
work which will be a little bit more graceful than it just not working all
right so that brings us to fragmentation Marcus do you mind if we keep you for
about another 10 minutes I know I said half an hour yeah sure all right cool
I'd actually like to play this video for the viewers if you if you don't mind
that as well okay yeah so for those who haven't seen phone blocks every day we
throw away millions of electronic devices because they get old and become
worn out I had that one of the components that causes the problem the
rest of the device works fine but is needlessly thrown away simply because
electronic devices are not designed to last this makes electronic waste one of
the fastest growing waste streams in the world and our phone is one of the
biggest causes so this is a new kind of phone it's made of blocks detachable
blocks they are all connected to the base and the base connects everything
together electrical signals are transferred through the pins and two
small screws lock everything in place so if for instance your phone is getting a
little slow you can just upgrade the block that affects the speed or if
something breaks you can easily replace it with a new one or update it with the
latest version another great thing about this is you can customize your phone so
let's say this is your phone and you do everything in the cloud why not replace
your storage block for a bigger battery block if you're like this guy and love
to take pictures why not upgrade your camera or if you don't care about any of
this stuff you can keep it simple and get a bigger speaker you can choose the
blocks you want support the brands you like okay I think that's the basic
premise at this point so let's get your thoughts first go okay so I just did my
video about it because I there was so much you know so many questions about it
that I decided to do a video basically explaining it but my thoughts I was
really interested in just the sheer volume of people that were interested in
this version of a dream phone concept because there's been so many like
versions of this before and the idea is great like it's not very technically
feasible the the mock-ups they showed were like just mind-blowingly simple but
I like the fact that someone that is getting attention I like that that it's
proven that it's actually something that people want it's proven that it's
something that people want but will it prove to be something that's even
remotely feasible I mean it's it's a great point you made about the mock-up
being super simple I mean for those who are viewing the show right now that
thing won't work at all it would have to each individual component would have to
be an entire unit like you'd have to have its own because the electricity
layer that they're talking about is not gonna be able to transfer much data so
yeah I mean you look at look at how many pins Intel needs attached to a CPU
for all the various voltages and all the various grounds and all the various data
and all the things that it needs to do in order to function you're not going to
be swapping out your you know processing unit and having that expecting that to
interface with everything else with like nine pins or whatever so that's why I
was saying like it would have to be like it would have to have its own little
motherboard inside that block so that when you plug it in the only thing being
transferred is a data wire and power and being able to build that they're
gonna be huge comparatively and not very effective comparatively yeah that was my
thing that if they were to work anywhere remotely near the way it looks in the
video would it be a just huge huge phone I can't take blocky device yeah so
gigantic well I mean and to me the other major issue is who's gonna support this
which processor manufacturer by the time a concept like this could be realized
which processor manufacturer remaining wouldn't just have their own platform so
you got Samsung you got Nvidia getting into hardware through just like holy
crap what's that yes you've got I mean you've got Apple of course their own
hardware their own platform who what theoretical upgrade is gonna exist it
would be like a super limited amount of things you could upgrade to if it if it
even happened but I like the the like they had a couple of examples of like
different ways to rearrange proportions which looked weird at first but it makes
sense that you would give more priority to like you know have more space for
camera optics and less space for a battery if you're a person who valued
the camera more or more space for a speaker and less space for the camera if
you're I guess grandma was their example so at least you might not have the most
intricate components like your your sensors and your CPU and graphics and
things like that be modular but the fact that you could change proportions and
have a bigger speaker or have bigger or smaller battery and change simpler
things like that could be more interesting maybe what I mean with the
variety of devices that are out there now do you feel like if you were that
photographer guy you couldn't find the phone that's right for you or if you
were that person who cares more about battery life and you grab something like
a note 2 or I guess note 3 would be the big news coming and put like a huge like
battery back on it did you see that guy who did the the SD upgrade and the huge
battery upgrade to the note I didn't see that now yeah the guy added what was it
like a 256 gig SD card or something like that and then like this massive battery
and then just like like like bent plastic over the back Wow yeah I mean at
that point it's not even pocketable but yeah the point stands that you could
probably find something out there among all the choices to satisfy your like one
critical need if you're that kind of person that just has to have a big
battery you'll find something and to me this is kind of a step backwards it
reminds me of the evolution of the PC and people have made it pretty clear
what they want if they wanted blocky upgradeable notebooks those existed yep
and did not do well at all now no one cares at all same thing with desktops is
the theoretical upgrade ability of a desktop I mean okay have you ever tried
to upgrade a desktop I have yes okay so within a period of time of like a year
or two feasible mm-hmm yeah yeah okay after a few years does it make any sense
after a few years you'd be better off going with a new machine which seems
like what they would try to avoid looking at like the phone blocks concept
phones go out of date even faster that's right so a couple months after a couple
months down the road the whole idea of that device might get really old everyone
builds their machine and they're like oh yeah but I'm building it so it'll be
upgradeable in the future that's my whole idea no you're doing a full
platform swap by the time you get to it I mean for you know for all we know five
years ten years from now the phone the way that we see it today could actually
be something that completely lives in your pocket and you're gonna have your
eyeglasses device and your watch and your you know bracelet and all of your
other wearable stuff that's the way that you actually interact with anything
anyway so the phone could become this completely unimportant basically like a
processing sphere that's got like a battery attached to it and it just hides
somewhere so that's crazy that's a feature that I could see though I
totally imagine that I've been using glass for like maybe two months now and
that it's kind of one of those things where you take your phone out of your
pocket less because you have something else that can interface with what your
phone is capable of so just having a little CPU in your pocket with like no
display on it or like a tiny display and valuing something else more like you
know the processing power and the battery life the idea of thin clients
and then centralized processing I mean that's coming to the human body I
believe it very firmly even look at what Samsung's doing with the gear that's
almost the phone blocks idea but blown up because then you can swap out
individual parts yes hopefully beach right or you could even have multiple
ones you could swap them out on a day-by-day basis I want my camera watch
today yeah right and everything would just wirelessly communicate anyway yeah
so it's interesting could happen could happen maybe do you want to close out
with how you're enjoying Google Glass and yeah I said glasses is like a weird
thing because then people don't have it yet like it's it's a conversation
starter on one hand but it's also like what what the hell is that on the other
hand like what's on your face so walking around with it it's it's like
you're focused on other things besides actually using it but like actually
sitting down and messing with the functionality like it's it's really
promising at its core and then there's a whole bunch a whole bunch of other
things and you know the Explorer community where people are developing
developing apps for it and I think that's the most exciting part so I'm
messing around with different apps that are in their store now or not even
really storage as a community and that's given like way more perspective on like
how glass could be used in the future so I like it it's not an everyday all
the time everywhere thing like some people are using it but I think it's
it's really promising when you look at the apps that people are making for it
right so much like iPhone where exactly half of the crap that people were doing
with it Apple had no idea that was gonna happen yeah right kind of force at what
point sorry go ahead I say it kind of forces a nap story like you have to have
an app store for glass or no one's gonna want it when will glass or a
further iteration be ready for prime time in your mind hmm hard to say I
would I would guess as soon as the app store is ready I mean the current
hardware I have I'm the least creative person when it comes to that like I
think it's fine on my face now I can't think of any improvements to make to it
maybe a bigger battery would be nice but how could you do that I don't really
know so I think as soon as the app store is beefy enough as soon as the
like initial selection is compelling enough for people to try it then that's
when it'll be ready so you feel like the hardware is pretty much ready for you to
draw I mean let's say it didn't cost over a thousand dollars let's say it
cost $300 would you be ready to drop $300 on it with a mature app store yes
interesting just for my use yeah and I think that's a very limited group of
people who would say yes but I'd be one of those yeses all right well I think
that pretty much wraps it up thank you so much for joining us and for those of
the viewers who were not watching when you first introduced yourself please do
plug all of your stuff unfortunately my lower third that was supposed to have
you in it was missing today so you know make sure that anyone here who's not
already following you on YouTube and Twitter and Google Plus and all those
good places knows where to find you all right so you can find me first and
foremost on the youtubes which would be youtube.com slash MKBHD and then
everything else revolves around that so twitter.com slash MKBHD facebook.com
slash MKBHD Google Plus it's actually google.com slash plus Marquez Brownlee
but you can search MKBHD and find me anyway so if you want to search or
follow me on anywhere just those five letters that's it fast I was going for
fantastic and fascinating it's been a long week all right thank you so much
man really appreciate you joining us and I hope you'll do it again sometime yeah
thanks for having me all right take care okay all right guys so that was Marcus
Brownlee youtuber extraordinaire don't tell him I told you this but he keeps an
archive of all the videos he's ever uploaded on his channel and man some of
that early stuff is pretty funny like there's like yours no no his is like
really funny there's like him as like a young teenager like working on his golf
swing and stuff no no it's like it's fantastic so go go back go through some
of that stuff it's hilarious what I really liked about digging through some
of his video archive is how far he's come and how he continues to evolve what
he's doing I get a lot of questions how do I be a youtuber how do I get big on
social media how do I do this and I think he is probably an A++ example of
how it is done without support because I kind of lucked out I'm gonna be
completely honest I lucked into this in a lot of ways I had access to the
hardware before I had to draw people in with a personality and with a show
structure and all those other things that go along with it at least I had the
gear he had to do it without it so check it out very very interesting so let's
move into our our first post Marcus topic here we actually kind of jumped
around a little bit beforehand because of some of the random problems so what
do you want to start with why don't we go with GTI GTI GTA 5 cost a metric
butt-ton to make so this was posted on the Linus tech tips forum by Muru Sue I
sometimes I wish this guy wouldn't post so many news articles because I can't
figure out how he should he should add like a phonetic version for us because I
also can't say his name location Finland I mean that explains it I wonder if it's
like M Urusu so GTA 5 is the most expensive video game ever so this graph
right here if you guys check out the forum thread don't forget we upload the
document once the show is over shows that GTA 4 was actually the next most
expensive at under a hundred million dollars budget with GTA 5 clocking in
and an enormous more than 250 million dollars so by comparison Microsoft is
spending 50 to 60 million on something like Halo 3 Half-Life per episode costs
a paltry 10 million or so this is one massive massive game one thing I like is
is a debate that came up a lot when I was younger and I don't hear as much
lately was the video gaming industry versus film industry because when I was
younger video gaming industry wasn't like bigger and they were they were
still kind of emerging and now when you have games like GTA 5 coming in in like
the uber high ranks of cost to produce that movies have like holy cow that
debate is just so one-sided now the world is the world is changing I mean
we're gonna go to so the original articles that were cited here are VR
zone calm and WCCF tech calm so check this out the this is major high-budget
blockbuster Hollywood films that GTA 5 is being compared against now Pirates of
the Caribbean 3 is the only one that is higher so it cost more than Tangled John
Carter Harry Potter 6 Avatar Chronicles of Narnia Avengers
Inception how to train your dragon fast 6 and Tron legacy now something that
actually this was a good point that Edsel or formerly known as diesel made
is if what you notice about those movies there's a bit of a pattern there all
very CGI heavy yeah all very CGI heavy hard to do because it's hard to do and
it's expensive so with graphics moving towards a more CGI like quality and more
film like storytelling all those big-budget things like writers and
actors and CGI I mean it's basically becoming the same yeah yeah and like
especially certain games that are coming out that are honestly like we went
through action and action adventure and a lot of more I'm not calling out action
and action adventure games but a lot of those ones are leaning this certain ones
are leaning towards this way where it's it's it's almost more of a story like
there's certain video games where I've enjoyed it thoroughly because the
gameplay is great and my mom and dad have been able to watch and been
interested the entire time because it's almost a movie so when is the first I
max theater getting a controller in it right right like at what point do we
actually start just having movies be interactive I and like with all these
3d viewing and super super super fast screens I wonder if you could go to an
interactive movie with controllers at each seat wearing glasses that gives you
a different view of the screen who knows or I mean or you could go to a theater
just for the experience of like the great sound yeah and you could just be
sitting there wearing your Google Glass and actually watching the movie like
that or or whatever iteration of Google Glass that is which is probably be
slightly different but still yeah definitely yeah entertainment is
definitely changing speaking of entertain entertainment changing PS Vita
does anyone care now now okay when I first started reading this I was with
you okay does anyone care why then I thought about a little bit more they're
releasing all this stuff ps4 is coming out this is going to be bundled all the
stuff that really or okay hold on Pacifica posted this on the forum and
the original articles from the verge which is awesome I'll keep pimping the
verge as long as they're around especially now that Marcus is on there I
actually haven't seen that so anyway okay fine so you think it'll be bundled
I think it'll be bundled because and another thing that kind of helps my
theory on this is if you look at the price point of a ps4 it's $100 cheaper
mm-hmm with a bundled PS Vita mm-hmm they might be able to make it around the
same price but if they don't do a hard bundle because they've already
announced it's $3.99 for a ps4 that's done that's over so if they don't do a
hard bundle and make it a $4.99 skew and completely abandon ps3 or ps4 as
standalone then I think what I think you'll be able to purchase either what
development is going to be done for it because you look at what they're forcing
certain games to be able to isn't it like all games have to be able to push
be pushed to a PS Vita it's yeah let's bring up the thing so if you can push
the games to it then great but I'm I'd be very surprised if you have the same
level of integration as what Nintendo is doing with Wii U where they're just
allowing where they're just basic like they're saying no matter what we
you you have it's always going to be it's always gonna have that secondary
screen in that secondary controller whereas this is functionality I don't
think it is and I don't think like you're saying I think that you'd have to
buy this bundle I think it's gonna be an available bundle you still buy a
standalone okay would you use it I guess is another question because Microsoft
has tried to do this with their whatever glass whatever they were calling it
smart glass Nintendo's tried to do it and I mean the Wii U has been a colossal
class a lot of that has been like adding a mini-map which is ridiculous and
adding whatever else and the fact that there's no adoption of Windows 8 windows
and tablets and we has been quote unquote a failure but for I think other
reasons and we've seen a trend it hasn't been a a failure because because of this
it's a wacky controller that a lot of people are not used to but it's
mandatory because you get it when you buy the device and that's the only
option I don't think this will be the only option and yes I would use it for
the same reason that I would use something like shield okay yeah okay the
game streaming good dual screen I'm gonna go ahead and say bad I don't think
is that a thing if like using it as like a mini-map or using it as whatever else
no cares about that no cares about that like zero because that's in my opinion
that's completely ridiculous unless you're wearing like head-mounted gear so
it goes off an arm and sits right here a mini-map is not gonna be helpful or any
kind of dual screen yeah I mean anything where you're where you're
focusing on something that's on a different plane in order to look between
them there is a delay like if you guys do that if you play the my hands are
close to my face or far away from my face game you can actually calculate
much like your camera's autofocus how long it takes to focus on something
that's close or far away from you so I think something like that will make no
sense however if it's a controller and ps4 can stream to it then I guess it's
it's moderately interesting but I mean shields already here doing it better I
don't think it's that big of a deal but I understand why it came to be because
when I first started looking at this I was like why does this exist at all
right like what but now I think I think I understand if that's the angle they're
going with it so we've got another article here speaking of changes to the
gaming industry this was posted by top war gamer and it's a Kotaku article
predicting just doom and gloom for the gaming industry from a at least from a
hardware sales perspective so it graphs particularly Sony and Nintendo it graphs
Sony portable sales Nintendo portable sales Sony consoles and Nintendo
consoles and there's this horrible like devastating looking graph of the total
unit sold and it goes back all the way to 2007 q1 2007 all the way to q2 2013 I
think this is probably one of the most okay I think this is probably one of the
most deceptive yeah articles that I've ever read because the I mean the I mean
the article even acknowledges that it was like sales tend to be bigger at
this times of year and you know there might be some new consoles but the the
author is not too hopeful ps4 and Xbox one will do better then refreshes like
Wii U 3ds 3ds XL and Vita I think he's totally wrong about that
personally totally like a hundred percent completely off the wall as wrong
as wrong can be yeah Xbox one ps4 whichever one ends up winning this
generation of console war and I'm gonna go out on a limb I'm gonna call Xbox one
here I think they'll win we had a discussion about this the other day I
think Xbox one will win but not by the margin that Xbox one oh my goodness
WON against cheese against ps3 because Xbox 360 one against ps3 yeah because I
think ps4 has a lot more hype and we'll close the gap up so it might be a quote
unquote win but in my opinion the battle was not lost will not be lost I guess
the fight hasn't even started yet but yeah I guess we'll see all right so
speaking of things that run games we're actually guys hit us for our Twitter
blitz we're gonna do a Twitter blitz just with normal normal normal Twitter
questions anything goes for this one but let's move into our next topic here so
brown ninja 97 says AMD volcanic islands GPUs are going to be going through a
name change they are going to be the r200 series the original article was
posted on Tom's hardware and quite frankly I've seen a lot of freaking
confusing product names I have never seen anything this bad so radion HD
7000 is what we're working on now and AMD or what not what we're working on
what we have now and AMD has unabashedly mixed things up in the past we went from
the dual GPU card okay went from 3870 x2 to 4870 x2 to 5970 I believe to
6990 to 7990 or something stupid like that like I can't even remember which
ones changed in one why why are you doing this anyway so now they're
simplifying it further so it's going to be AMD radion r9 and then three digits
like why even have the r9 the r9 literally like I understand where
they're coming from it's supposed to be an oversimplification so it's but it was
way too far oversimplified so it's just a hundred percent redundant r9 will be
high-end r8 will be mid-range r7 or sorry mid to high-end so so the numbers
will go down much like the way that their AP you naming schemes go but then
like why not use something similar to what the AP user using where you have
the a10 four digits and suffix so no instead they've gone with the are
whatever and then three digits and no suffix and the problem another problem
with this is it really doesn't leave much room to to iterate I mean if you
once you introduce the product line what if you want to slot something in between
like what they've done with the 77 90 for example we're having more digits I
guess in spite of it being kind of confusing and meaning nothing to
consumers at least it gave you that flexibility I mean this to me is as bad
or worse than Intel's star concept you remember star concept star yeah it just
had if it performed better it just had like more stars under it yeah yeah where
it's like it's simplifying it to the point where just doesn't mean it can we
just go back to like gigahertz or something or like I don't know I mean if
you're gonna have like a stupid naming scheme you might as well just do it in
3d marks this is the Radeon Vantage whatever the score it gets like I don't
know I would have been funny they could have when I first I skimmed this article
wrote notes for it and then went to go move on before I went and moved on I was
like oh wait what because I didn't actually notice the R series thing I
just noticed the three numbers after it yeah so my thing on the article was oh
yeah they just took a leaf from Nvidia's book and went to three digits and I was
like wait why are those things there what are those mean because at first I
thought he's just like yeah this was the Radeon 9000 series now it is this
and I was like oh those are in the same what why why why so I don't know I mean
at the end of the day the people who care are gonna do the research and find
out how they perform in the benchmarks in the games that they play and they're
gonna apply whatever makes the most sense but I would have really preferred
to see something a little bit less confusing if they if they could have
possibly done that just don't get it speaking of AMD they've added Saints row
four to the never settle bundle so it's in the gold tier go ahead and switch so
that was in a non tech article over there so never settle they set out right
that they are going to be having games be added to it before the end of the
year and if you've bought something like a Radeon 7970 or is there something out
there yeah I have to go for a quick sec oh okay sorry okay so if you have
something like if you bought something like a 7970 or 7950 while never settle
forever was implemented you could actually choose the games you wanted and
there's and they said you can keep your codes in reserve until the end of this
year and we're gonna add more games so they have they have announced never
settle forever gold tier includes Saints Row 4 which is very very cool and if you
guys have been watching Radeon card pricing even if you haven't been paying
attention to any of the news about the upcoming volcanic islands GPUs you
should probably know about them because we're seeing 7970s under 300 7950s at
like $200 it is a great time to buy a graphics card because those are still
excellent excellent GPUs and are very capable of running pretty much anything
that you could throw at them so let's go ahead and do that Twitter blitz since
slick has abandoned me here anyway so I guess I'll talk to you guys hi
everybody I guess I could fire up twitch chat as well someone says Intel is only
good for porn I don't even know what that means he's leaving for round two if
you want a good price for a lot of the market AMD is the way to go he has to
wet his hickey it hurts apparently okay so let's go ahead and move into some of
the Twitter blitzes can you use dual six pin y-cords so not two eight pins from a
different course our power supply fit fit the connector no not necessarily I
would check with Corsair before doing anything like that because they're not
necessarily interoperable slick we know you've owned the galaxy Nexus are you
excited about the Nexus 5 sorry he's not here unfortunately will buy 3570 K be
bottleneck to 780s well if it did there's not a whole lot you can do
because particularly once you overclock that CPU there's not a whole lot you can
get that's faster than it so yeah turn up your graphics settings until the
video cards become the bottleneck my brother is interested in PC gaming would
you recommend an AM AP you based system or system with a low-end graphics card
and CPU really depends on the budget get an AP you if you can't afford a graphics
card that's at least a hundred to a hundred and twenty bucks that's where
you really start getting like a decent price to performance ratio this is for
slick oh man all the all the slick thing I'm pretty sure he's gonna say ducky
shine 3 and I'm pretty sure he's gonna say blue switches but a su sound cards
have a known buzzing noise on their mic inputs and the problem has been
addressed for years and still not fixed okay actually we've got an unboxing
coming soon of the FiO e 10 so we will be beginning to acknowledge some of the
other options that are out there one of the things that I haven't really done
much of in the past because I tended not to sell like Marcus was saying earlier
is one of the ways that he's able to always have the latest gear is to buy it
and then flip it before too much time has passed and then use that money to
buy again so we're gonna be starting to do that we're using some of them I mean
between me and sort of the thousands of people watching this by the way you guys
are awesome thank you for watching I've been a little bit tight for money since
we started Linus media group and one of the things that we did with the first
blood campaign on the forum was we covered the costs that the forum has has
hit us with since we started it and then because you guys were so generous we
exceeded that and we've created a slush fund that we're gonna use to buy stuff
that we otherwise wouldn't have access to so we can bring you content about
stuff that we otherwise wouldn't be able to do so we're not just locked into
motherboards forever or whatever else and I haven't talked to him about this
yet but I want to figure out if there's a way that we can build like a reddit
type up voting module for what you guys want to be the next thing you want us to
buy with that slush fund which we would then unbox overview and then sell
through the Linus tech tips forum at a discounted rate so something like that
could be a very cool way to crowdfund our videos so to speak and that's the
sort of the direction that I'm headed for the future and I'm just wanted to
share that with you guys I actually think that's feasible that should
probably be okay so what do you think don't commit to them rule number one of
being a dev I said never say it might be feasible I didn't say good point
documented now what do you think about PS Vita TV should Chromecast yeah Apple
TV be worried you know what they're so different I mean Chromecast is basically
a wireless HDMI dongle in my mind that's all it really is an Apple TV is so
tightly tied into their own ecosystem and is so seamless and so good I have
one it's awesome like it's just awesome I don't think there's anything to be
worried about I mean to me the ones that are gonna be real players are gonna be
the more open standards like wide-eye where it can be implemented on any
device with an Intel wireless solution okay so it's not quite open and on any
TV that also uses an Intel wireless solution or something like Miracast we
saw a very very low latency Miracast implementation when we were down at
PAX did you see that in the shield booth yeah that's cool so stuff like
that to me is is more relevant you know what I was even gonna say this yoinker
man is like they should have just called it like the Radeon 9000 Pro and just
done a reboot agree a hundred percent that's what they should have been
interesting did anyone get prizes from the WD giveaway no not yet we actually
just heard back from the last winner and WD wanted us to submit all the winners
so they could ship everything out in one fell swoop they sent a follow-up
today so we need to get them that finalized list maybe by the end of the
day today and let's get that going sound ray is I believe one of the winners so
I think that's why he's asking someone asked why would you pick Xbox one over
ps4 because I actually believe that their broader ecosystem implementation
is gonna win I think that TV is gonna be a thing for a while still I think he's
picking them as in picking them as the person who's probably gonna sell more I
don't think yeah I wouldn't buy well either no yeah I think either of us are
probably gonna buy one I won't buy one at least until they come up with the
next iteration like a Xbox elite or a ps4 slim or whatever they end up doing
that'll be the first time I even start maybe possibly looking at same thing
would you ever review this really depends depends on what the community
wants to see us do well an 1100 t bottleneck of 7950 yeah in some cases
yeah but everything bottlenecks is there gonna be an after-party tonight probably
not but I might do like game stream tonight or something once I'm once I'm
finished making dinner because that's the new thing is I'm supposed to make
dinner on Fridays so oh yeah yeah oh oh speaking of changes we got your
feedback we read you loud and clear you want a long show on Friday okay got it
got it the land show is not going anywhere alright so with that out of the
way a lot of people have requested that we do smaller shows throughout the week
so I think that's gonna be something we're gonna implement maybe when I get
back from my trip which is I'll be gone for a couple of weeks don't worry we're
filming lots of content there will still be one to two videos a day while I'm
gone so I'm like dying right now but I want to do maybe a few shows a week and
a longer when show on Friday so that we can bring you guys faster shorter
updates as things happen but we can still do the more in-depth discussion in
the guests as the Friday show have you seen a non text review of bay trail from
IDF best-in-class CPU okay GPU with equal to arm power consumption yes in
fact that is one of our topics is there's some really exciting stuff
going on at IDF and we're gonna close up with that before we before we finish up
with our forum news and all that good stuff I don't think EVGA has a hadron in
the mail to us I think right now they're very very allocated so I'm not
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into our next topic we have just hammered through these topics today this
has been an efficient show let's focus on Intel so here we go Haswell E is on
demo already this was posted by snow comet on the forum so there's an alien
where esque looking machine with an NZXT water cooler in it so apparently
they're not going to change the mounting socket holes at least they haven't yet
it is a DDR for reference platform so DDR for is going to bring many of the
same benefits as previous iterations of DDR so that is lower power consumption
higher density and higher speed on the desktop it doesn't matter much but for
servers where you can get billed by how many watts your server is using and for
servers where you need a ton of memory for virtual machines and all those kinds
of things this is a very big deal but there you have it guys there's images of
the motherboard how excited are you for Haswell E um DDR4 and eight cores okay
yeah eight cores it's like that's I read through all this and I was like there's
a few things that I care about and there's one thing that I really freaking
care about which is eight core so the original article was for from WCCF tech
and yes because to me the exciting thing about Ivy Bridge II was the possibility
that maybe there would be an eight core extreme edition variant or like yeah
we're even like an eight for eight core like K that would be sweet oh that would
push performance forward and some of the things that we do here even though for
things like gaming maybe not yet and then when that didn't happen that was a
big disappointment for me because 10% performance improvement IPC and you know
slightly lower power consumption and you know one thing I've actually been
wanting to do this for a long time but I can't figure out a way to make it a
hundred percent realistic is oh there's been a lot of tests on a course for
gaming how many cores do you need for gaming yeah I want to done it exactly I
want to do a test though with 35 tabs open Windows Media Player running Skype
running a whole bunch of other crap running and again that's interesting and
two monitors so that I can have all those things actively basically you
could just go grab my computer and run on it
seriously no but like that's what I mean I do the same thing I know tons of my
friends do the same thing they go oh I only need four cores for gaming and then
they run everything on the planet and play video games and we tend to run a
very clean OS and for that matter pretty much everyone does yeah when you're
doing gaming benchmarks in order to reduce variables but maybe throwing all
the same variables at it would keep the variables reduced while still allowing
us to give you guys a better idea of how more cores is really gonna affect
things I mean that was how Logan found that the 8350 compared quite favorably
to the 3570 K at the time was by streaming to twitch at the same time as
benchmarking yeah also related this was this was on a non tech probably the
shortest article ever written by a non shimpy who happens to be like my hero I
gotta say that again between the verge and a non tech I like would his life is
probably complete yeah both disappeared I don't know if you'd have much to live
for it's probably the only tech site that I read daily other than my own yeah
and on tech yeah so anyway I'll just read the whole article because a suits
CEO Jerry Shen just pre announced the Asus t100 a bay trail two-in-one tablet
that's dockable with up to 11 hours of battery life think transformer goes
Intel I think we just saw the first bay trail design win so for those of you who
aren't familiar a design win refers to when a manufacturer takes a reference
design or like reference platform and actually integrates it into a finished
product so Nvidia has had four iterations of Tegra now only one of
which was really really popular and that was Tegra to Tegra one was completely
irrelevant Tegra three didn't see as much adoption however they did get one
major design which was obviously the Nexus seven and then Tegra for so far
is just in shield but we'll see how it goes from there it's really fast I told
you how fast shield is yeah but I've also heard rumors that's a design win so
for those who have criticized Intel for not having a mobile strategy and not
being aggressive enough not using their manufacturing expertise to get into this
hey that tide may be turning because on top of that they have also shown and
talked about and I'm trying to find this because we should really have a producer
for this show we've had people we've had people like tell us that aha they have
also shown off the quark SOC or system on a chip which basically is a highly
integrated piece of silicon that has basically everything that it needs the
quark family so what's exciting about the quark family is this Intel it looks
like is playing catch-up in mobile but is gonna just take the lead when it
comes to even more mobile than that so quark is targeted at what's called the
Internet of Things which is the concept that everything is connected these
headphones are connected my watch is connected that I don't wear I ordered a
pebble by the way I don't know if I told you yeah I'm super sorry your paper
what came in anyways sorry I know it's just the case for it it's just the case
first so your phones connected your watch is connected your shoes and your
socks are connected and everything is connected and works together in this
amazing beautiful harmonious way your doorknob is fingerprint sensing and only
opens for you and tells your wife that you're home so that you know she can
come and greet you at the door like in the 50s or okay so that's not progress
but the point is the Internet of Things Intel is super serial about the Internet
of Things and they are quoting anywhere from a fifth to one tenth the size of
their existing low-end Adam Silvermont CPU cores they're being pretty cagey
about a lot of the other details so they're not saying a whole lot but
they're saying open architecture which to be clear still means x86 but there
will be hooks that yeah you know something so so we're not talking we're
not talking licensable course like what I like what arms doing which I mean that
might be the advantage for arm then again Intel is so powerful at who knows
anyway open architecture standard industry software support so they are
saying that it is they've actually been they beat around the bush a little bit
here as well so x86 front-end or x86 like or so maybe it's not going to be
gonna be fully x86 because there's a lot of legacy junk that comes along with x86
that makes those processors not able or at least in the past it wasn't able to
happen that makes it more difficult to scale them down to extremely low power
devices so maybe they're looking at like some kind of an x86 emulation and
something that's simpler who knows but that's that's extremely exciting they
showed off a bracelet yeah that was that was running I was trying to think of what
it was I knew they yeah that's why that's why I want the details in that
see when he creates the outlines he doesn't put the same kind of details
that I do so sometimes we end up and we're like oh yeah you know well that
thing that I read like an hour ago I've been talking for an hour so I have no
idea what it is anymore yeah I'm done man I'm done and then the last thing the
last thing is aha Intel demos 14 nanometer Broadwell so in addition to
demoing has well II which will be the LGA 2011 platform they're demoing the
upcoming 1150 replacement as well I mean they just launched both of these and
they're already demoing they're saying and okay so for those of you who want to
build like rockin skookum gaming desktops guys be unexcited for the next
year and a half or so of Intel releases I'm saying it up front because Broadwell
is focused on power consumption yeah and like they even say like oh yeah it's
lower power lower whatever at the same performance level yes in the thing it
says the same performance level like it's not don't don't get too excited as
a gamer that's what Intel is targeting now that's not to say that Broadwell
won't bring performance improvements in fact the last few iterations of the
tick-tock strategy we've seen that not every die shrink is a pure die shrink
sandy bridge to ivy bridge was just a die shrink but we got about a 10% IPC
improvement which is about the same as we got from ivy to Haswell so instead of
seeing no improvement and maybe like better overclocking or something and
then 20% improvement we're just seeing 10% improvements at every step so they
may still improve performance but what they're showing is they already have it
working at the same performance level with 30% lower power consumption which
is I guess exciting if you're into power consumption one thing people have to
realize about that article at the same time is that's 30% lower power
consumption of the SOC not 30% lower power consumption of the unit and when
it's such a wait no the SOC we're talking quark that was the yeah there
were more size reductions yeah they're showing off a 13.3 inch Haswell ultra
book that idols at less than 5 watts and of that only probably 0.5 watts to a
watt is going to the CPU core with 2 to 3 watts to the LCD and the rest of the
motherboard and other devices so reducing the CPU power use to 0 watts
would actually only cut total power use by another 25% at best these were some
of the numbers that Jared Walton from an on tech ran and that is really crazy
yeah that's what I'm that's why I'm saying like there's a 30% reduction but
overall it's more your screen yeah it's more gonna be screen or I mean what else
is even left at that point it's gonna be screens basically and as we see more
efficient screen technologies we could be looking at that continuing to change
that's where it's gonna be interesting is when we get super super efficient
panels that's where the battery life is gonna start chunking down instead of
these little individual drops all right so maybe one or two more topics I know
we do still have a few more maybe I'll just burn through a couple of them
really quick there and then we'll move into the sure so okay outlook finally
adds IMAP support finally thank you for that so this was posted on the forum by
here we go let's follow the link okay okay there we go so this was posted on
the forum by guns cool so if you're still using outlook and you haven't been
turned off by their lack of IMAP support then there you go you can be
programs that can't work due to not having IMAP there there are some yes but
there's not that many realistically uh Joan Rowling to release an extension of
the Harry Potter universe so I mean whether you see this as a cash grab or
whether you see this as just you know kind of wanting to go back into it
because it really is an amazing amazing universe that she created I guess it's
not a universe it's an alternate dimension I don't know whatever you
want to call it it's awesome I love the Harry Potter books I love to a far
lesser extent the Harry Potter movies but I do still love them you can love
things differently yeah so this is a return to to that land 70 years prior to
the events of the Philosopher's Stone and it's actually gonna be like a
backstory to how one of Harry's textbooks was was written and explore
some new characters and if they were going to do it some way I think this was
the best way they could do it so it's neither a prequel nor a sequel sequel
but an extension of the Wizarding World I think puts it best and it will be a
movie so the miniseries begins production in 2014 so they are not
wasting any time on this and I know that's not technically computer news but
whatever I care about Harry Potter therefore if you're watching my show
you get to hear about it too which is great
Starcraft MMO hits Kickstarter this is one of the stupidest kickstarters that
I've ever seen this was posted on the forum by cobalt and they're still
getting funds via PayPal even though it's over and they got like $85,000 so
for one thing $85,000 of funding to something that was this poorly thought
out like if you read through this thing it's just all this like theoretically
did you read this I've watched the videos oh okay I actually didn't watch
the videos I just read this it's the stupidest thing I've ever seen like it's
basically just like oh it's gonna have this and it's gonna have this and it's
gonna have this and you're gonna build this for $85,000 do you know how little
money $85,000 is yeah it doesn't matter they have a lot of it already even so
it's not even gets like it's not okay I would I would bet that for any
reasonably well balanced game you couldn't perform game testing and
balance validation for $85,000 I don't care how much of it's done totally
irrelevant there's quite a bit $85,000 is not not significant in the context of
a game developer considering how long it's been under dev 2 is another big
point and considering how long that $85,000 has to keep them going before
they all need to like it's been free dev up until now it's around already yeah
it's a thing already but I yeah you know what go ahead back it if you want but
I'm not sold and like really just it the way their Kickstarter campaign is even
like worded and laid out I didn't read it it's extremely disorganized is it
like really disorganized looks totally half-baked the videos aren't that bad
okay well maybe the well that's I mean honestly great video and you get
Kickstarter funding so well like most people don't read stuff nowadays look at
huge big reviews that like you and I will read they'll have five comments I
know it makes me sad actually with the funny thing about that being that we
then make a video about it that people watch which is the service that we
provide where we condense the information we already have into but
look digestible video but look at Kickstarter look at the people that are
mostly on Kickstarter they're gonna want to digest things through video yep and
and that's very much the way things are going and I mean obviously it works for
us because we love making videos for you guys and can you believe this is a
job not really not on Wednesday to be very specific on Wednesday no Wednesday
Wednesday we were like on like a campsite filming something for for a
data that was pretty fun actually that was that was a fun trip I think I
totally think we should do a Linus media group camping trip oh he was like
within like a couple minutes of being there he's like and you guys can tweet
him you can tell him I said that because I said it to his face so it was already
done well that's what happened yeah it's exactly what happened is that
when I said that to his face instagrams getting ads the article is on
Huffington Post that we are linking to here my favorite part about this is they
just added support for 15 second long videos and yeah advertisements yeah it's
like oh I wonder why you push to add that it's not really very clear how the
ads are gonna be implemented yet what is clear is that their user base tends
to be a little bit I don't know what's the right word hipster II yes but at the
same time they had that huge thing back in what I think December and the last
year I think where they changed their terms of service and everyone's like
we're gonna leave no one will stay on Instagram because they can use our
photos for commercial purposes and well as of February I believe it's gained by
50% yeah 50% more users I'm on Instagram now speaking of Instagram one of the
only benefits I think my iPhone 4 will be getting from iOS 7 is the new square
photo taking mode it's like it's built in now it's so that you don't have to
use the I mean you look at how deeply apples in bed with Twitter and I guess
it makes sense like if people really wanted that Instagram look they could
use apples own filters they could use the square mode and then they could
tweet it I guess is the idea to make Instagram irrelevant but anyway I like
Instagram I actually like it it's kind of fun you play around the filters I
thought it was the stupidest thing in the world you've heard me rant about
Instagram before but I kind of changed my mind loves his so that's that's one
of the only benefits I'm gonna get out of iOS 7 when I upgrade you're gonna
turn into a hash tagging filter using I'm already a hash tagging filter using
social media junkie it's my job I remember before you got Twitter you do
remember that we made fun of all the people anyway it's not really clear how
the ads are going to be implemented but I would be quite surprised I mean you
look at how aggressively Facebook has added ads and you know what yeah
Facebook isn't as hip or chic as it was at one point but it's not like the users
are off it yeah I still use Facebook to communicate with people that refuse to
get off Facebook one thing I was wondering what is is there ad block for
your entire phone like is there ad block that spills into I don't use I think if
um I think there's there's apps you can install if you're rooted that will
basically just block all the ad servers yeah and so it'll even do things like
pull advertising out of trial apps and stuff like that yeah I was playing
around with it a little bit when I rooted when I rooted my wife's phone
hmm speaking of my wife who would like to see her as a guest on the land show
just I just don't think she would want to be asked her about it she was kind
of like no I don't think anyone would want to have me as a guest oh and I was
like oh well I don't know there's only one way to find out probably get
overwhelming support for that I think so too I think I mean they might she might
give too much too much too much sort of insight into into me um well I think
that's pretty much it for our news this week why don't you go ahead and hit us
with this week in forums so we've got this week in forums which where is it
one thing I wanted to send out which I will tweet right now if I can get
Twitter open quickly enough but there are the unofficial Linus tech tips
gaming servers we have we have a lot of unofficial Linus tech tips stuff we do
which is actually really cool actually I need that the the main reason why I
wanted to talk about this is because of what he just said so we do but who knows
who like a lot of people don't know about this because the PC gaming forum
is kind of tucked in at the bottom and doesn't get quite as much traffic as a
lot of other forums a lot to do with where its position is on the forum
physically so I wanted to tweet this out because there we have servers like not
us but members of the community have made servers so that people in the
community can go play with each other which is super cool they're not managed
by any moderators from Linus tech tips or anything but they're unofficial
Linus tech tips servers and they're actually pretty cool so check out that
thread which I just linked out other than that our folding teams and boink
teams are doing great we got a whole bunch more traffic last week from the
call out I did there so if you're interested in folding or boink hit up on
the forums ask whaler what the heck is going on with folding and can we refer
to it as folding and boinking and boinking and ask liquidus what the heck
is going up with boinking now we can jump into build logs if you can download
this yeah yeah I'm downloading it I had forgotten that to office is still you
know what that really sort of reminds me of the the conversation we had with
Marcus Brownlee earlier on is can Apple with iWork take over Microsoft space can
Google with Drive take it over that I've been using this laptop for weeks now and
office has been broken since day one and I haven't gotten around to fix I didn't
notice until WAN show and then in between WAN shows I didn't even try to
launch it again and feel a need to yep that's very true crazy corporate
security is a big thing too though okay fair enough all right there we go
slideshow from so we're starting with Thor desk mod by Deus Ex very original
name mmm which is pretty beast one thing that I would have maybe like to see and
a test that I actually want to do those suggested by a forum member is I want to
test a PCIE extensions okay and I would have liked to see one on here right
throw the graphics card here perhaps or yeah somewhere else and yes he has two
of them so it'd be slightly more difficult but if one lightly because
you'd have to like put the SLI but he could build a bracket I guess okay but
it's a little bit tall once you see a video from the side picture from the
side sorry side one there's there's more of a side one but don't click yet I just
wanted to do some shots of the inside he's got beautiful sleeving beautiful
multi-color cool I like that individual loops which is great so there you can
see two different colors is achieved best by having two separate water
cooling loops yep it looks it looks it looks fantastic now if we go one more
that's what I'm talking about it's quite thick and when you're looking at desks
personally desks are usually pretty thin because of how your arm position is and
where your legs are in proportionate to where your arms are so there's actually
quite a big different right there so your arms would be kind of up which you
might not mind but personally I would so if I was if I was personally building
that computer I would have tried to get an extension in there and make it more
flat looks fantastic though it looks great and I really like how he actually
made the desk himself so parvum land by pecs on so it's not he doesn't have a
ton of very good photos of it completed yet so he was out of land and this is
where his completed photo is from that's coming back so check out his
thread because he will be updating it but I really want to show this off
because he got this case and then he did a bunch of custom things to it one of my
favorite ones is this is the motherboard tray that he put LEDs on so it will glow
from behind you know what a bit did that with their original fatality board back
for LGA 775 and I thought it looked great I was I wish more more
manufacturers had done it but this is a great way to add it yeah I wanted to
show that off but make sure you check out pecs on his thread because he will
be updating that's why there's only two pictures from him is because there's a
lot of in-progress shots they don't necessarily look like the final thing
and then there's a couple shots of like the chick with the computer but it's not
very zoomed in on the computer so wait till the updates with more actual
finished ones that are focusing on the computer and not the girl and yeah I was
gonna say a big problem is that the twitch chats going crazy over not the
computer but the the girl standing next to it so yeah there you go well there
might be more pictures of the girl so check out his thread anyway all right
guys so if you want to check out build logs of the week check out the build log
section of the forum they're gonna be pinned at the top if you want to check
out all of the topics we discussed this week as well as the links to where you
can find them in the Linus news and rambling section of the forum I'm gonna
get that posted up as soon as I get a chance here and as always you can watch
the archive of the WAN show on YouTube if you missed anything or if you just
want to watch the whole thing again because it's that riveting which I mean
that's great thank you very much for watching and we'll see you guys again I
won't be here next week yeah actually big bomb drop into bomb so anyone who
tunes out while I'm doing the outro will just totally miss that no idea they'll
have no idea and then next week I'll be gone I should try and find someone that
looks like you or just like a dummy not that that dummy we're not that I look
like a dummy we didn't have any EA news this week that's a good thing yeah
usually usually yeah sometimes it's good there's new Humble Bundle we didn't even
talk about that Humble Bundles epic too oh I can't believe I didn't put this in
the dog I know what what's wrong with you you even told me about it yeah I
know oh man yeah I guess it's more important that you get it going so get
that up way to go this thing's a sweet and they haven't even announced the
extra games every single time it became kind of a thing because every single
time they'd add like usually two games so now they finally have more games
coming soon because like before it was like yeah okay this morning's coming
trying to mark of the ninja eats munchies beta brutal legend faster than
light and feds those are paying more than four dollars and sixty cents huge
names Fez huge name FTL huge name like it's it's not like random things you
haven't heard of Fez FTL mark of the ninja trying all of those are huge
titles brutal legend got some mixed reviews but is a big game and then yeah
Yahtzee didn't like it which is basically all I need to know
yeah I do he doesn't like I was gonna say Yahtzee doesn't like anything
whatever man if valve would release half-life to episode 3 I'm sure he
would like it yeah like the whole time which means it's a good but then at the
end it'd be like but it's great yeah anyway so yeah humble indie bundle I
forget what else was I gonna say no I was gonna be there was like another
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