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Tesla competitor Rivian raises another 1.3 billion in funding meaning Tesla might actually end up with a
Worthy competitor the Intel XE DG1 or the creatively named
Dedicated graphics one graphics card has a new round of rumors
Western Digital has started shipping 20 terabyte hard drives
So there's definitely some room for discussion there and the iPhone XR remains the best-selling phone of 2019
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Alright, so why don't we jump right into our first and most important topic of the day the Intel XE DG1
so
EEC filings have leaked information about Intel's new dedicated graphics cards so for those of you
Who are sort of just getting up to speed with this?
Intel has actually been a major
supplier of
Computer graphics hardware for many many many years. It's just that it hasn't really been computer graphics hardware that is
That anyone especially wants to use now way back in the day Intel's onboard graphics were terrible and basically every meaningful way
I mean you remember computers with onboard graphics. Yeah, they're bad, right?
Yeah, okay, but the thing is they were bad for reasons that they aren't really bad for anymore
So back in the old days when you're in your integrated graphics was on your Northbridge was where you'd usually find it
So that was on your chipset separate from your CPU
It would actually suck up some of your system memory. I mean it's integrated graphics still usually does that now anyway
That's not the point. That's not the point
So it would suck up your system memory oftentimes a significant chunk of it and back when system memory was
Really expensive it was slow and in some cases
It was not very efficient so that Northbridge would end up with like a noisy fan on it
So there were other solutions Nvidia back in the n-force chipset days used to ship integrated graphics versions of their chipsets and these
Didn't necessarily solve the efficiency problem
But they solved one of the other big problems, and that's that integrated graphics used to have
horrible
compatibility for games let alone
Enough performance to run them. Sorry. What is that sound? That's the heater up there? Oh someone crank it no
I think it's okay
It was bad for games, but I could play dangerous date back then you can't do that anymore. Yeah, but that's different
Okay, that's like DOS compatible
That's that's windows switching from like using a DOS kernel to the NT kernel
That's not like okay. I know I can't play my game anymore. Okay. You actually can play that game
I believe that game is on good old games if you go to geo g.com
I bet you can find dangerous Dave so you go you go on that fetch quest while I run people through
What was wrong with integrated graphics geo g.com?
Okay, so yeah, we can talk about that a little bit
I don't know what I'm gonna say about it our our Apple Pro display XDR is here so anyway the main problem was not
Necessarily even the performance it was just outright
compatibility so either it would lack the features
You know like hardware transform and lighting or whatever else or the or the most up-to-date
DirectX feature set or it would just have such broken terrible drivers that even if the game should
Run it wouldn't it would just it would just crash all the time
And so Intel over the last 10 years or so has come a long
way
So their onboard graphics are now so power efficient that they can bake them right onto the CPU themselves and still hit sub 100 watt
TDPs their drivers and feature set are now
Basically up to date. I think there's still a lot of work
They could do in terms of you know catching up to what AMD and Nvidia are doing with respect to things like
Sharpening filters and all these like cool features that you can enable in your games like a 3d
You know screenshots and all that kind of cool stuff
They're a long way away from that, but in terms of just basically functioning in games
They are
Worlds ahead of where they used to be so if you've got good efficiency, and you've got you know
Decent compatibility and you've got the feature set sort of down then why not scale it up now unfortunately
Unfortunately, it's not really that simple and man
What do they call it Jen?
I think is what they call their their onboard graphics that are built into their CPUs these little little tiny tiny graphics chips
Was never really designed to go
Ultra wide not not like the monitors, but it was never designed to be like a wider design
So they've had to re-architect this
Basically from scratch as far as we can tell so DG1 is supposed to be a proper
dedicated graphics card and
Initially my understanding is Intel wasn't making a ton of noise about it from like a consumer or gaming perspective
But then they ran out and they hired a bunch of you know
Gaming and enthusiasts community people to handle the messaging around this they grabbed Chris hook from AMD
They grabbed Kyle Bennett. Actually. I don't know if Kyle Bennett was on the GPU team specifically anyway. He's not there anymore
So they grabbed Chris hook
I'm trying to think of who else they grabbed
But there was this like big push towards better messaging and a better relationship with the enthusiast community
And so that's got people thinking okay. Maybe maybe it is gonna be like a gaming graphics card
Alright, so here's the latest information that we've got
the specs include 96
execution units which
incidentally
Seems to be
The same as what they're planning to use in their next generation 10 nanometer Tiger Lake CPUs
So that would put its performance on par with onboard graphics
And then there's three SKUs listed DG1 external FR-D1 accessory kit
discrete graphics DG1 8 plus 2 and discrete graphics DG1 6 plus 2
the latter could be designation for
Designations for gigabytes of RAM, but that's not really clear. So wait
Yes, they just made in a new integrated graphics card
Right. So what we what it looks like right now is that they're gonna ship what would be integrated graphics
But on a discrete card with its own frame buffer built onto it
There's some supposed to be really cheap or something. Well, we don't know
there is some speculation that Intel is working on drivers for like multi GPU performance scaling and
so then there's some speculation that maybe this could be intended as kind of like
Like like a nitrous boost card for your system that only has integrated graphics and the two of them will like
Work together or something. How many systems actually have only integrated graphics now or how many people actually use only integrated graphics?
Well, lots of people do but mostly at the low end of the market
So the thing about dedicated graphics is it tends not to really make a ton of sense below about the hundred dollar
$120 price point because there's so much cost overhead in
Building a card getting an HDMI license like it's like two dollars per connector or something like that
Like that's nothing in the context of a thousand dollar graphics card, but it's a big deal when you're trying to hit $99.99
You know, you got to build it. You got to put a cooler on it
That's another you know seven dollars or whatever like there's there's all these things that are kind of fixed costs
packaging shipping and logistics just time on the SMT line as they're as they're producing the damn thing because it takes up exactly
As much space as something that you could solve for 200 or 300 or 500 dollars
So there's all this there's overhead
Even if some of it is just in the form of opportunity cost you still have to QC it the same
You can't just ship a dead one
So you still have to you know
Put it in the in the hotbox and you know run it for 24 hours or whatever make sure it works
I don't know or maybe you don't whatever but the point is there's a lot of overhead that you're
Sorry, I'm distracting you but
I don't know. I have I have no way of knowing
Float plane is fine
Twitch is fine and people are saying F in YouTube. So I I have no way of
Yeah, I have no way of fixing that our preview looks good and
This is why this is why we've been getting really really frustrated with with YouTube streaming lately
Okay, they're going crazy. All right anyway anyway, so there's all this overhead involved in building a graphics card
So low-end discrete cards tend not to make any sense now AMD had this idea back in the Radeon like
4000
3000 days is like, you know
Seven eight nine years ago whenever it was that one of the ways that you could make low-end cards make more sense
Was if they worked together with the onboard graphics that are built into your APU as AMD calls them
Which is a CPU with built-in graphics
running in crossfire
Then then at least you're not throwing away one or the other
You're getting the combined performance of both of them and you could you could make that kind of make sense now as soon as you
Get into higher-end cards the overhead of trying to communicate with those onboard graphics cores
Basically means that any positive contribution is pretty much wasted but but at the very low end maybe it could make sense
So that's where some of the speculation is coming from
I believe it was like someone found some Linux code that seemed to suggest that Intel was working on multi GPU
the specs for this thing
768 shader units 96 execution units seem to suggest that it's going to be similarly
similarly specced to their upcoming integrated graphics
for my part I
Don't know I
Don't know if I buy it
Because the amount of frame buffer here doesn't make a ton of sense to me
Like there's no way that you'd need eight gigs of vram for something that's competitive with like an rx-570 or 1052
I mean, I guess actually I guess you can get you can get rx-570s with eight gigs vram, can't you?
so if the Tiger Lake graphics core is
similar to ice lake iris plus
That would put performance of dg1 at roughly a 1.5 X improvement over the 64 execution unit
Iris plus now putting it in 1050 TI and rx-570 territory
I mean
It's not the threat to Nvidia and AMD that are especially in video that everyone out there has been hoping for
But I mean, I guess it's a start
The thing to me that's really baffling about all of this is that Intel has been sharing such like
Like riced out like juiced up looking imagery of this card
Like let me see if I can find it sure Intel dg1 render
Let's have a look
Intel set sites on whatever
Intel discrete GPU struggles. Yeah, I'm just trying to I'm trying to find out which ones are the ones that
Intel has actually shared this might just be a cool render from someone. I don't know
Maybe and maybe I've fallen for it
Guys, if anyone has a link to any renders that Intel has actually directly shared for their upcoming graphics card product
Okay, that would be good. So in what world would you consider this a good thing then that Intel has made this thing?
If is it just if the price is really good and it works in combination
Like in addition to whatever you already have. Oh, no, I mean, it's undoubtedly a good thing
Okay, so then people are just upset because it's not as good as they thought. Okay, so it's a good thing
But only for a certain customer. So if you're someone who plays nothing but Dota League of Legends
Rocket League and you want to upgrade an older system and you want and I mean for all of Intel's faults
The products are reliable for the most part. They make mistakes. I mean, I think the
The the speculative execution issues, you know your meltdown your specter all that kind of stuff
They definitely make mistakes
But when it comes to hardware engineering if nothing else they build a reliable product whether it's an SSD or a CPU
Or whatever the case may be so
You've got this reliable
Brand-name, I mean something that graphics card makers
Especially the low-end ones are notorious for is terrible warranty support. So they've got that they've got the the support
Infrastructure set up around the world. So they're this this trusted company that could bring this
Entry-level graphics card to market for people who have an older system that they're just looking to add just enough
Capability to in order to play eSports titles online with their friends
Okay, and if you're in a market like Brazil where you have literally hundreds of percent tariffs on anything that you buy
You know every ten dollars cheaper for something that's in the same
Performance tier as like a hundred and fifty dollar card that makes a big difference to the affordability to you
Especially if your income isn't very high. So having more options
always
Fantastic for the market, but I think that the enthusiast community
especially with some of the hires that Intel was making around the time that the
Graphics unit seemed to be spinning up and Raja Kedari moved over from AMD
And all this stuff was happening
The enthusiast community I think got the idea that we were going to be looking at something very very high performance and this
speculation was fueled by
rumors that Intel was really targeting the data center space where they wanted to go up against things like AMD's Radeon instinct and
Nvidia's Tesla cards in like supercomputing applications
now
That may still be possible and that may actually be why we're seeing this Linux code around
Multi-gpu, maybe it's not about you know Intel
Crossfire or SLI or whatever you want to call it
Maybe it's not about putting this discrete card into an entry-level system and getting a performance boost or maybe they'll do that, too
Because they're already working on it. Anyway, maybe what's more likely is that we're gonna see like some honkin
giant card that's got like
16 of these things on it
That's all powered by like a couple of 8 pin PCIe connectors. Just remember guys. That's what Intel does. Well
extraordinarily efficient GPUs that you can pack right on to a CPU with that said AMD also does that very well and actually in
many cases better but
Hmm. The point is we're talking about we're speculating about what Intel might be doing here. Not AMD. So
Maybe what we're looking at then is we're looking at many of these
Operating on a single card many of which you could slot into a server and maybe cumulatively it has a lot of performance
But that ultimately probably won't be that meaningful for enthusiasts
So I think this is just a matter of enthusiasts seeing like fan renders like this
Which as far as we can tell is not real at all. This is just concept art done by
Let's see a
Student from Brazil. So people are looking at stuff like this going. Okay, you know finally
someone
to
You know given video some humility
But but no it looks like it's been AMD recently
To Intel yes, okay to Nvidia not so much Nvidia is running a process node behind them and still
competitive if not better at almost every price point because Nvidia really over the last I mean five to
Not ten I'd say ever since CUDA. So yeah almost over the last ten years
Nvidia has really tried to differentiate on software because Nvidia launched some
And I guess it's been probably you could say accelerated ever since their dud of a 400 series
So they've launched some bad hardware products
But Nvidia's whole argument over the last, you know, really especially five to seven years has been right
So there's the performance we can talk about FPS per dollar until we're blue in the face
But that just becomes like a who can slash their price the best who can get their cost the lowest
You know, that's that's a that's a fool's game is is their attitude about it. So they've really been focused on trying to build software that
Differentiates their products such that if they're 10% slower at the same price point or if they cost 15% more they're like, okay
Well, if you want GeForce experience, let's say which does have redeeming features or if you want
You know our awesome
Built-in encoder or if you want this great, you know screenshotting, you know feature that's built into some games or whatever
The case may be then you're just gonna have to run Nvidia
Things like in-home streaming they were one of the pioneers in that space. I mean now anyone can do it Nvidia or AMD
G-sync's another example, which now you can run on AMD or Nvidia. It's not quite the same solution
So so that's kind of their whole thing is like look we built it a little better. So
we're just gonna charge more and
AMD has competitive products
But really only in the several hundred dollar range as soon as you get up into kind of the five hundred dollar or so range
AMD doesn't have anything compelling as far as we can tell Radeon 7 was just a way to
burn through some GPU inventory that they couldn't move to their data center clients and then it was
Forgotten about as soon as it appeared
So
Yeah, we really we and I'm using like we I'm speaking for the entire PC enthusiast community
We want a competitor to Nvidia a legitimate competitor in the high end
And we were really hoping that if AMD couldn't get their act together
Intel would step in
Motivated by chasing that business in the data center where you can sell, you know, tens of thousands of GPUs on a single PO
Motivated by that they would come in and they would compete in the gaming space, which is less lucrative
But certainly a high-volume market and something that is worthwhile to participate in. It's just it might be baby steps
We might be looking at something that's pretty much, you know
For running csgo at decent frame rates on a budget and then if we're lucky it'll scale from there. Okay
Well, I feel like I got a really good history lesson just now. Yeah, hopefully hopefully the audience was into it
but
Yeah, it's funny
I I feel like I tend to explain things more thoroughly if I can't just take for granted that the person sitting next to me
Already knows what I'm talking about. So that's that's interesting
Why don't we talk about Western Digital and their 20 terabyte hard drives
Here is and we can we can we can talk about sort of the the technical details a little bit later
So this is posted by Andre Argenow
Argeny
Argeny
Andre Argeny on the forums and
We'll go through this stuff later
Is anybody actually asking for a 20 terabyte hard drive? You are aren't you am I?
I don't know. You just bought a bunch of hard drives recently. Oh, wait. No, not hard drives SSDs
Are these hard drives or SSDs? These are hard drives. Oh, is this more like no that can't be right
Is that right? Do data centers use hard drives or SSDs? They use both. Okay. So is this more for data centers and stuff again?
Here's the thing
Okay, so
You know what fine let's run through let's run let's let's run through this
So they're sampling enterprise OEMs with 20 terabyte ultra star DC
HC 650 hard drives utilizing shingled magnetic recording and
And helium filled enclosure. So the helium is to improve the efficiency of the drive as the platter spins because there's
More air resistance, although it's helium resistance now. It's not air
and shingled magnetic recording takes the tracks that are laid out in circles on the drive platter and actually
Overlaps them a little bit. We've done some really good content on this in the past
Basically what it means is that there's no penalty while you're reading it means you can squeeze them closer together
There's no penalty while you're reading it. But if you need to write it, well here give me another shingle
Perfect. Thank you. If I need to change this middle shingle now, I need to also
Delete this one so that I can get at it change it and then put this back
So there is a right performance penalty with shingled magnetic drives
So Seagate has used shingled magnetic recording in their archive series in the past and I've actually used them
I have found that the right penalty
Particularly if it is a write once read many application doesn't really matter that much
But your mileage may vary if you're gonna try and write a ton of random data to it like sequential is
Okay, if you're just archiving like a bunch of video footage
Which is the only thing I was using them for in the time we had them deployed. Hey, no big deal
But if you're gonna hit them with a bunch of random IO
You're really gonna suffer because every single one of those
Bits that you need to flip is gonna have a whole bunch of them that you need to then up end move somewhere else
Flip it and then rewrite it's it's a total mess and really it's actually kind of akin to the way that SSDs, right?
Which is part of why writing performance on SSDs is so much worse than shingled magnetic drives. Yes guys
I understand that they are functionally very different on a hardware level
I just mean conceptually they are similar and that you might need to change a very small thing
But you actually have to erase and move then change it and then put other stuff back once you're done
The new drives utilize nine platters. Are you familiar with what a hard drive platter is?
It's like a little metal disk little metal disk. So traditional hard drives used a single platter and you could have
recording
Space on both sides. Yeah now imagine this having nine
You've got nine of those packed into a no wonder they need to fill it with helium in order to keep the air
Resistance down low enough to make this thing even reasonably efficient
So if one platter goes is your whole hard drive go?
No, if one platter goes you can in some cases we actually did a great video about this where we toured drive savers
So someone like drive savers might be able to go in replace the the read head. So that's like this arm
Yeah, that sticks out over all the all the different platters
They might be able to replace it and then put on a new one because usually it would be that that fails not like the platter
Itself that fails because it's just it's just magnetic ones and zeros on a metal disk
There's not as much to fail unless the the read head were to fail spectacularly and crash
It's called a head crash if that were to hit it
Well, they might scratch a bunch of the data
But you might still be able to get a bunch of it back assuming that you can get a new read head in
So anyway, where was I going with this right? You've got nine of these monsters. You've got this immensely
Complicated apparatus that's required to read off of them
What's up, so it has a two-and-a-half-million-hour
Mtvf meantime between failure. So okay, that's really kind of where I was eventually gonna make my way to with this
So they're advertising them for their sequential right use case because yeah single thing. They're hurting is not fast enough for random rights
so
Here's my problem
the only way that we can make hard drives faster is
either by shrinking the size of the bits on the platters or
By spinning them faster
Really? That's that's it because if you think about it like the way that a record player works
Yeah, right. The only way to make the song go faster is to put the notes closer together or to spin the record faster
Yeah, that's all that you can really do now Seagate actually is working on a dual actuator technology that would allow
two separate
Read and write operations to take place simultaneously
That's kind of cool. They're not the nine that are on these 20 terabyte drives. They would all move together
So if you need something on like the top platter
The bottom one can't go get something from somewhere else on the bottom
Well, I'm getting to that. Okay, so on paper, this is great 20 terabyte drives
It would mean that in something like a 60 drive storinator. Let's just do a quick
Calculate I don't I don't what why is PowerShell opening? Wow. I hate you so much
Okay
So 60 times 20 in something like a 60 drive storinator in a single for you rack with just 60 drives
You could put one point two petabytes of data
Even if you're giving up let's say one in every six drive as you might to something like, you know
raid z2 or you know some some kind of
Parity data protection you could put a petabyte of data in a single for you rack. That's incredible
the problem is that the only way to speed up the performance of these drives is
Complicated technology like dual actuators remember run these tiny three and a half inch enclosures spinning it faster
Which adds more?
It adds more drag as the platter spin it adds more complexity because all of a sudden everything has to be done to within failure
Right. That's exactly where we're going with this
So hard drives their capacities keep getting bigger
But their performance is stuck because we can't spin them faster and we can't really put the bits
meaningfully any closer together
all we can do is add more platters at this point and so what that means is that a
20 terabyte drive at what is pretty typical, you know, let's say like a
Man these are shingled. So let's say it can write at 200 megabytes a second. Alright, so let's do let's do some quick
Napkin math we can do
What just happened?
200 megabytes a second times
Hold on a second 60 seconds. Okay, so we've managed what can I do for you?
What he wants me to talk about how many shirts we saw
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Black and gold water bottles are back in stock, right Oh stealth water bottles, okay
All right, yeah, we had a great holiday season thank you guys so much by the way
On lttstore. Okay. So in a minute I can write 12,000 megabytes
Okay, so let's do times 60 again
In an hour I can write
720,000 megabytes so times 24. So let's say in a day
All right in a day I can finally write
almost
the entire surface of this drive
So do you remember I think we actually talked about this back when we were in university
Although I think it was in the context of USB thumb drives
Okay, okay. This is a long time ago to try to remember
Yeah, I doubt you're gonna remember but the point is guys when we were in like probably I'd say around grade 10
USB thumb drives were like
The biz they were so cool. Remember that I don't know about grade 10. Maybe I know it's a university for me
Okay. Well it was it was I remember when I got my first. What was it?
It was I think it was 16 megabytes. I got my first
USB thumb drive so you can remember how many megabytes are in your very first thumb drive, but can't remember my birthday
I remember your birthday now. I forgot her birthday the first year
We were dating I have never I have never heard the end of it as you guys can see
Okay. So anyway back to USB thumb drives
my first USB thumb drive was 16 megabytes and I was
jazzed because I didn't have to use floppy disks to carry my assignments to and from school anymore like
Wow, and I could even put files that weren't just text like if I wanted to share a cool song that I definitely got totally
legally on Napster
With a friend I could bring that to school and give it to them and they could transfer it to their thumb drive and it
was like wow, I can take this to my computer at home and put it on my my
mini disc player whatever the case may be
But around the time that I met you we started to run into this problem
So USB 3 hadn't come along yet to fix it
But USB 2 thumb drives were getting to the point where the capacity was so large
That and there were still some kind of reliability issues with them
especially when you were using them on older systems that you couldn't really count on them to not have some kind of a
Problem if you needed to get all the data off of it in an emergency or something like that
Like it wasn't really safe to store that much data on this tiny thing. And I remember we had this conversation
Do you remember this at all? No, not at all. Yeah, I knew you weren't listening. It's fine
Um, I listen to lots of other things. It's not this part. Yeah. Yeah, that's fine
So the point is the point that I'm getting to and we solved that problem with faster interfaces
So now you can use USB 3 or Thunderbolt 3 to read and write off of these multi terabyte
Portable drives and we kind of fixed it by just going really really way faster
But hard drives in that time hard drives have maybe doubled in speed except that when I met you
500 gig hard drive was pretty sweet. And now we're talking drives that are
literally
what
40 times that size is that right? Am I doing the math right? Can you help me with the math here? 20 terabytes
Yeah, 500. Yeah. Yeah, 40 times the size
So here here's my here's my rough
What what is this? Why is this full screen? Here's my rough napkin math here guys
Let's just make sure there's nothing incriminating there's my rough document so in 24 hours I
Can write not quite that entire drive?
So at what point are hard drives just
not
Practical for this kind of storage even if they are cheap
Well, we might be there
Unless they're really cheap
unless you can literally buy two or three of them for the price that you could store that data on something else and
Then you can just have it like
Duplicated and in the event that something fails while you're trying to recover it
You just grab it from the other one copied over to like it starts to become this very complicated data management scheme
So hard drive manufacturers are still pretty bullish on their future
They think the hard drive is gonna be around for a good long while
But I think that for general consumers who can't afford these complicated data management schemes
we might be getting close to the end because I don't know about you guys, but I
Don't necessarily want even in my home NAS
I don't necessarily want a drive that remember if I'm copying this over gigabit is now gonna take more than two days
I don't necessarily want to drive that in the event that I'm dealing with some kind of data
Emergency is gonna take two days for me to know if it's gonna be okay
and
The like especially crazy thing about this is if you talk to some data center clients some enterprise clients
They're not even asking for this back blaze famously uses. I think it's
Shoot don't quote me on this. It's either four or six terabyte drives
back blaze drives which ones do they use and
The reason is that they found that from a from a cost per terabyte total cost of ownership perspective
The newer models actually have not had a great advantage for them and they have preferred the better
Reliability of these less complex drives even if it means that they ultimately have to deploy more servers
Over more cabinets in a larger area in the data set in the data center
I'll let me just have a look so drive counts so they are using up to 14 terabyte drives now
But I can't remember which one was the bulk of their storage
Oh, it looks like they're using 12 terabytes now, so maybe I maybe I'm mistaken on that one
They did have higher failure rates with those 12 terabyte drives than they did on here guys
I can pull up their latest reliability report they actually
Published this back in it looks like March
Remember to though guys that
Let's see drive days. Oh wow actually those Toshiba ones are looking pretty good single failure
So what are drive days the number of times it was used or like number of days it was used
I think that's the total day like it's
Um how long it's been used times the number of drives would be my would be my understanding here
So yeah, it might be that that was might be that that was outdated information
So either way it's gonna come down to this complex relationship between how much the drive costs
Versus how much it costs for the thing that it needs to go in
Versus how often it fails and how complex and disastrous it is when it fails some
People are like what about SSHD so SSHD is
basically a small SSD that's kind of like
Soldered onto a hard drive, and I think you may be sort of misunderstanding the purpose of SSHD if you think that it's applicable here
so
Any hard drive whether it's got a small SSD cache on it or not is ultimately limited by how fast it spins
and how close the bits are an
SSHD takes frequently accessed data and caches it onto an SSD so that in the event that there's like a game that you
always play
Instead of grabbing it from the magnetic platters it can grab that off the SSD and you feel like it's super responsive now usually
These these SSDs are so small that something like a game wouldn't end up being cached. It's more like
Files that Windows frequently accesses stuff like that
Or maybe you know components of DirectX or your graphics driver that it would access as you're loading up a game
So it can accelerate almost anything
But it doesn't help if the data doesn't fit in the cache
So when we're talking about writing to the entire surface of a drive
It would do meaningfully nothing and when you're talking about reading from the entire surface of the drive. It's negligible again
So it wouldn't really help with that who writes to an entire 20 terabyte hard drive over one or two days though
Well, okay, so here's an example
We're rolling a new
Petabyte project so I understand so during deployment, okay, I understand during deployment, but that only happens
Theoretically once or twice like for day to day use isn't this okay?
This is a great way to like if you don't have a lot of space in your house
And you are slow-mo guys or whatever and you need lots of space
So another scenario, and this is the dangerous scenario, and it might not matter today, but it might matter five years from now
Here's the scenario you've got eight of these things spinning in a little enclosure like this sitting on your desk one of them dies
All right, so that's a total of eight times 20 is
160 terabytes of data, right
Is that right 180 terabytes help me
160 terabytes of data all of it is now at risk
Because because of 20 terabytes of data that now needs to be restored to another drive
Now during that restore operation I pull that failed drive as soon as I possibly can I put in a new one now
I need to wait two days
I understand every one of those drives has to be read entirely and one of them has to be written to
Entirely a process that could take over a day long-term. They're going
And I can't sleep you can you tell I've gone through this before you've seen me go through this before okay
Maybe I don't know. Maybe it's just the way I use hard drives or used to use hard drives
It's like I would write to my C Drive and everything would be in my C Drive
Yeah, so if I lose a drive might like my D Drive or E Drive or whatever it's fine
but
That was back when a hard drive might be
80 gigs
So what have you got on there you got two blu-rays? Oh?
So nothing that's fine 20 terabytes. You can have your whole life on 20 terabytes, okay, and and
And there's that okay. There's like a psychological component to this too when people see
20 terabytes
Fill it
Think about it because we got to remember that this is from not necessarily a techie person's perspective as well when you see a 20 terabyte
Storage drive in your computer you might go. Oh gee you know I can store everything on this and
And people don't practice safe backup. That's
True I don't either so uh well no I take care of it. I don't I
Make sure
Actually our stuff could be safer right now. It could be safer
I'm just glad it's faster. It was driving me crazy
I would sit there and try to open a file and would take like 10 seconds load
We've been through this that was a power saving measure
I had the dishing about how like I had the discs parked when they were not being used which by the way means
They're not sitting there spinning idly which I just made it so that I never used our server at home
Yes, I saved everything I know okay, so I told very safe
I told the drives not yeah, that's not safe at all well because I don't have your desktop backed up at all because why would
I it's just Windows. It's utterly meaningless at this point doesn't do anything
Well, it's faster now, so that's good. Yes, okay, so I changed it so the drives. Don't go to sleep
You're welcome my princess
I actually considered just moving the store NATO to home that all SSD server
That's probably worth like 30 grand again, but Jake Jake got mad at me
He was like you what mate and so I brought it back
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All right Tesla competitor Rivian raises another 1.3 billion in funding where's my 1.3 billion in funding miss CFO over here
I don't know. I haven't even heard of Rivian
Uh, okay. Well you will at some point so the original article here is actually from everywhere
Everyone's reporting on this Bloomberg Ars Technica the verge
Evie manufacturer Rivian established way back in 2009 actually has been playing the long game keeping
News and memes and smoking weed on the largest podcasts in the world to a minimum while quietly developing their core technology in the background
Like their batteries powertrain, etc. No wonder I haven't heard of them this year
They have raised funding numerous times the first round in February led by Amazon
Yielded 700 million in April Ford invested 500 million and in September Cox Automotive invested
350 million this is
1.55 billion then led by t-row price associates
They raised another 1.3 billion bringing the total up to 2.85 so for comparison
Tesla has raised more than 20 billion in equity and debt financing over the last decade with this new funding
They hope to have vehicles rolling off their once missed Mitsubishi owned plant in
2020 I
Think ultimately I'm going to end up being right to wait on the electric vehicle
bandwagon
Because there's already some really interesting stuff like on the one hand you could go. Okay. Yeah. Well the model s still beats
Porsches is is it Porsches?
Uh model s versus poor yeah port taken
So, okay. Yeah, maybe the model s like still beats it or whatever
So I could have just as easily bought myself a model s
You know a few years back and have been enjoying it all this time. That's fair enough point
But the flip side of that is that at least it's a competition that we're talking about
So by the time I'm ready to move on from the volt, which I still need to do a video on
Yeah by the time I'm ready to move on from the volt
There could be enough competition that you can get something
Really sweet for a lot less than what you're spending now with that said the model 3 is looking pretty sweet
I just and I thought the Tesla's were actually holding their value really well
I have so many problems with the way that Tesla does things
I don't like saying that I do or don't I'm just saying they're holding their value
Well, if what you're saying is that you're not getting into it because of price and it'll get better. Well, I don't know
Yeah, that's that's fair. I just there's there's things that I don't like about the way Tesla is going about this
I so three things. I don't like how Tesla is approaching the right-to-repair thing
not allowing people and
Non-authorized repair services to have access to the tools that they need to fix the car safely
I'm not a fan of what so can I just ask first?
Is that so I know for a lot of things like the Apple stuff you guys are super against that and I get why?
No, but for the Tesla thing
Is that because they have proprietary software that no one else knows and so if they tinker with it wrong
Then Tesla's technically on the hook they can still build tools
Yeah, they can still build tools
That will make it so other people can interface with it without giving away their proprietary software
thing I don't like number two is
this whole
Hardware as a service
Thing
That's kind of creeping up on us
So Tesla has actually developed a very good reputation for keeping the software of their cars up-to-date and adding new features over time
But what it seems like to me is that they've been playing a very careful very
Intentional long game here because a recent update for the model 3 is actually a paid update so you can pay for your model 3
Assuming you have the correct hardware configuration to go a little bit faster now
These are things that they used to either have you buy at the time of purchase
or
Sorry what was I going with this?
Well you were talking about how you have to pay for that so right upgrade right or they would actually provide free upgrades over time
As they realize that oh, you know the battery packs can actually output a little bit more juice we can we can handle this
Let's let's just go ahead and roll it out, and that was really cool
And then now we're finding that they're putting software locks at the time of purchase
Instead of actually changing out the hardware depending on the features you buy so software locks made their way in I think
Particularly with their their autopilot features and now with performance and then now software locks are coming after the fact
So they're finding ways to monetize these cars on an ongoing basis
I think this is a really dangerous path to go down, but I also don't know what the right solution is because
What the existing big car manufacturers have been doing obviously isn't right where they just put it out in the wild and go yeah
You know if it's buggy, then I don't know I guess that one has issues with the CD changer. That's too bad
We'll fix it in the next model year. I guess you can just get a new car
Ha so that's that's not right either, and I also know that ongoing software development has to be funded by something
I just am not a huge fan of
You know having my subscription service to your car. Yeah exactly having my products be like how
How do we know that we're not going down a slippery slope where I have to pay on a monthly basis to have that performance?
Or maybe oh, let's turn it into a micro transaction
So every time I press the pedal like you know twice hard or something
I get the extra boost and it cost me 50 cents
Well, they're not unlocking or they're not locking anything that you already getting
I hope no one from Tesla is watching this right now micro transactions
No, but okay when you buy the Tesla vehicle
You're not like they're not locking something that you were already entitled to before it's just locking the future stuff, right?
So yeah, but what you're getting for us technically as a hardware guy I
Find it offensive that I paid for something that you put in there, or maybe I okay
Maybe I didn't pay for it whatever the point is you sold me this hardware that has capability
X so clearly at the price. I paid let's say
$50,000 you were making a profit on it yeah, and then
Arbitrarily you've decided that that wasn't the right amount of profit
And you want a little bit more for me to get everything that I I paid for it was all there
Well hardware wise yes software wise no, but yeah
But yeah, but they did all that software development. They are just
artificially segmenting it and now arguably they did do additional engineering and additional software development for something like a
Speed boost and somebody's got to pay for that so I get it
I just think it is an extremely slippery slope the last thing
I don't like is I don't like their marketing. I don't like them calling it autopilot
I think that is extremely misleading for what the capabilities of their
Autonomous driving features are are you sweet?
Are you sure it's not autopilot because I read a newspaper article about these people in Richmond who were freaking out because this car in
A parking lot was driving itself to its owner right so that's my problem pilot pilot no
That was the I believe it was the summoning or remote control feature
And yes
They have features that are deployed today that are effectively your car basically driving itself as long as you have your hands on the wheel
Every once in a while
But there are documented cases of people being literally asleep at the wheel while their Tesla
Rips down the freeway, and I think that Tesla's marketing and branding creates a false sense of security
And I think it is extraordinarily dangerous. I think we're gonna have a hard enough time moving into an autonomous vehicle future
without someone going in and
bunging it up right at the beginning causing legislators and
Luddites and all the other people who are gonna hold up signs and yell about how bad this is and they took our cars and
whatever
they're gonna just add fuel to that fire and make it take longer than it has to because I
Want a level 5 autonomous vehicle as soon as possible?
but
it's not going to happen if someone screws up at level 3 and then
It's just illegal for the longest time even though we had the technology
And it was there if only we'd been patient and we had set expectations correctly those are my three problems with Tesla
Those are the three reasons that I have a hard time supporting them to be clear. I'm not for or against Tesla
I don't actually care. I just wanted a vehicle that was
You know the back mirror wasn't teeny-tiny, and I could actually shoulder check properly, so that's my only issue with the volt
100 L free says ah dangerous Dave my childhood memories you have a you have a kindred spirit out there
I've also dated myself a little bit
Hey dating you ain't that bad
Um side hilarious thing Rivian's vehicles now apparently have a feature called tank turn which looks
amazing I
Mean if you're gonna have a motor on every wheel it might as well
Oh Wow donuts will never be the same ladies and gentlemen I
Think their truck looks like less ridiculous to actually it looks more like a regular truck
Yeah, but it still looks kind of futuristic you kind of yeah, but I mean when you compare it to the Cybertruck
No, but yes, it does on its own
But you can't you know dock an ATV on the back of it. I guess I guess and you don't get that
I don't know like if somebody if somebody were to see the Cybertruck on the road. They would know immediately. Oh, yeah
It's iconic. Oh, yeah a little bit, and that's not really I feel like you're kind of paying for the status symbol
Oh, yeah, definitely. I mean, but that's the thing Tesla's done a great job of yeah of building that brand for themselves
I mean, maybe part of it is I'm just like I'm trying to be contrarian
Maybe that's maybe that's part of it. I can I can admit that
You know I don't care. I it doesn't matter honestly. I get a little annoyed
When I'm shopping for a car as I was a year ago, and people are just like well
You're a tech guy get a Tesla. It's like
It's not the only car manufacturer on earth, and there are reasons that it might not be optimal
Yeah, I actually like having our hybrid vehicle plug-in hybrid plug-in clear yeah, not quite the same. Oh really yeah a hybrid
Doesn't necessarily have a large enough battery pack that you drive on purely electric mmm
Okay, or doesn't not doesn't well anyway
Have you ever gone through the rationale of why you bought what you did or are you saving that for the review?
I was planning to talk about it in my review of my volt that is coming and I will do eventually
I'm pretty sure it's supposed to come out like a year ago. Yeah, it was it was
Well I won't ruin it for everybody
Let's just see if there's anything else that we really want to talk through the iPhone 10r continues to be the best-selling phone of 2019
In spite of the iPhone 11's launch
Yeah, okay, this is considered globally
Their selling price was adjusted in China and other markets this year and the 10r became even more affordable after the 11 released
11 is also on the best-seller list along with 3 Samsung and 3 Oppo smartphones if you guys want to see the whole thing
It's on 9 to 5 Mac
Apple inside are also reported that Apple earned 66% of the entire smartphone industry's profits in 2019
That's what happens when you differentiate based on software
So yeah, it seems to be working out well for Nvidia
It seems to be working out just fine for Tesla and seems to be working out pretty darn well for Apple because they don't have
66% of the hardware market share selling hardware ain't nearly as profitable as selling software
um
What else we got here? Yeah, this is pretty cool color ink displays are now available. I'm just gonna go ahead and bring up
C times calm
dot TW
So that's pretty sick
Yank, if you guys aren't familiar is super efficient. So like on our Kindle, hmm
so, you know you you wouldn't watch a video using an ink display or anything like that because the whole point of it is that
it only refreshes as often as the
As the on-screen image needs to change so that's what gives it that stunning efficiency and you basically don't need to power it
Once it's once it's actually got the image on screen. So this is for drawing and
You could you could draw but yeah, no, it would be I would see it as something that you could use for reading
So now you could read a children's book in color on your on your reader. Got it
Yeah, so oh, so was it only so is this cool just because it's color now. Yeah, got it
Okay, that is really cool. Actually. Yeah, e-paper displays have been single-digit color in the form of like dye capsules
So this contains four pigments per micro capsule for a total gamut of 32,000 colors and across $800
for this
13.3 inch advanced color e-paper display now
Obviously, we're hoping for prices to come down a little bit in the long term
We're gonna be buying, you know Kindle readers or whatever with this technology, but every time we see an advancement like this
It's a matter of time before it makes its way into a reasonable price product
So I'm looking forward to I think it'd be really cool to you know, read burnt stained bears or whatever
it would be but it's also not the same when you have like a kid in your lap and I
I know to be able to feel and touch and place but here's the thing like you got to look at sort of like
macro
Societal changes that are taking place in the world. This is me being an old person. Where are you gonna store all your books?
I know I know I got it. I mean we were we were driving down the street and
I was I was just looking at this building off to the side and I was like they're they're building something
It's a giant construction project very expensive and I was like, it's another one of those bloody you store things
Are these that popular because I've never had one
and then the moment that the words were out of my mouth I was like, oh
Right, obviously like we got into the real estate market here in Vancouver at a time when I mean we were
Very lucky to be able to afford a detached home when we did it was a very long time ago
It was before it kind of took off like crazy. So this was
Almost ten years ago almost ten years ago
We bought our home together and we were also very lucky in terms of our life stage at that time. So we were only
22 yeah, I think so. Yeah, we were 22
when we were shopping and and you know getting a mortgage and all that stuff and it just
Just so happened that Yvonne finished her program with her pharmacy degree a lot of people think that she married me for my money
Yeah, so Yvonne just graduated with her pharmacy degree and then she got a job almost immediately as a pharmacy manager
clearly destined for business
So she had the income she was making six figures basically right out of university which was sick and then I
Had flunked out like two and a half years prior or something like that at least two and a half years prior and I had been
Working that whole time now
I had accumulated zero student loan debt in the time that I was in school because of the summer painting
Program that I was doing I was able to make it was like the worst time of my life
But I was able to make enough money to entirely pay for my school
Just in the with my summer job
Which was pretty sick and I had even helped pay for some of hers and her parents had helped pay for some of hers
I still had massive student loans, but I wouldn't call them massive in the context of what's good now
That's true. You had student I had student loans
But I was also like working kick like during the school year during the summers trying to pay it off
So basically I graduated with very little student debt
And so we were in this great position where our credit was good because I'd had a credit card since I the day I turned
16 I guess yeah when my parents were able to cosign with me because they were like look you need to get your credit score up
There's just yeah, I had like a $500 limit or something like that like I had a super low limit
But the idea was I just needed to use it for everything
Pay it off on time and build up my credit score. So my credit was good. Her credit was good. Yep
She had income and then because I flunked out two and a half years prior with no student debt at that time
I had worked for two and a half years and I had a big chunk of down payment because I had no expenses
I was living with your family
Super weird reaching office super weird
So we were extraordinarily
Lucky and sometimes it's easy to forget that and we look at something like I'm yet another one of these you stores going in
And go like what is everybody using these for and I went right of course
Because for the price of what we paid for it attached home ten years ago
People are people are condo are buying a townhouse or a condo now and it's like right where are they good?
I mean we already struggle with like where the devil are we gonna keep like snowboards and stuff when the kids all want snowboards?
But but it doesn't matter whether I know I know boards or ice skates or surfboards or
Bicycles even. Yeah, where do you store this stuff? And I went oh
That is a market that if I was like if I had a bunch of money and I wanted to get into a business like
Wow, the the storage business because there's no shortage of people wanting to acquire more stuff
But there's definitely a shortage of places to put it
So I forget where I forget how I got onto this subject
We were talking about Oh kids, but right we're gonna put your books. Yeah, I know we're gonna have to leave it behind
So we need technology that allows us to just have one thing that you you know put on the coffee table and that's it
That's the that's the whoops. Oh, sorry. Sorry. That's it. That's the family book
Yeah, so there's do it just makes me sad. We just bought one of our kids this book for Christmas
That's one of those like you lift up the flaps and you see what's under it. There there is touch screen touch screen
Yeah, that's just not the same
But anyway, I I know I'm being kind of an old lady. I got it. I got it
I got a move on beautiful times. You're my old lady
Um, well, I think that's pretty much it for the show we should probably get home speaking of our kids
Yeah, maybe go go get them. We will see you guys again next week. Same. Oh, are we super chat super chats?
Yes, super chats
Part of the show that I always end up showing up for and being like we gotta go
So I remember that we have to do them. Oh, yeah, that makes sense
Viewer activity are the are these them? Yeah, these are them. There's quite a few
Okay, don't send in any more cuz I'm not gonna look at them
Uh, thanks
SKHS video Luke looks much shorter and cooler
Right, Cory says good holiday with your family excited for new tech. Yeah, we did have a good good holiday. Thanks bite hunter
Thanks Arian
Try out time is this related to the older Intel GPU prototype? No, that was Larabee totally unrelated
No way to get that working Joseph Igarashi says try pronouncing my last name. I dare you I guess I already did
Alejandro says
Here's me on Twitter. Look at the video, please
Dang it
It's probably gonna be spam
And I'm not promising I'm doing this kind of stuff in the future
Okay, I cannot read the other ones while you look for it. I cannot find this easily plus one
Oh from for Ruku plus one for Yvonne on one show do Jake times
or Jake and Dennis next and Rob
photography
Man, I'm having a hard time reading from here. I think I need to get my eyes checked. Hi from Europe
Why does LTT upload a list of info to Facebook for targeted ads? And how did you get my info? Good night. What?
What why does why does LTT upload a list of info to Facebook for targeted ads?
We didn't update we didn't upload a list of info for you
To Facebook. I don't know what they're talking about. I think Facebook
Looks at your data and gathers that info for themselves Arjun, uh, Luke's looking jacked today
Bipolar princess. Yay Yvonne love seeing you in videos hashtag girl power and the LTX 2020 news
Actually, we picked a date, but I don't know if I'm allowed to tell anyone yet
But I think we're gonna be sending out a save the date soon
It sounds kind of like a wedding or something. But yeah, anyone notice that Linus has a blue tongue
I actually did I thought it was just the light but no I was a ring pop. Okay
What are you like five? Jack Elliott says five that worked out. Well
Thomas her fin says really cool idea best boss ever. No idea what you're talking about anymore, unfortunately
Lego lad play. Well, I know future proofing is a bit of a mean but what components would you use to future proof?
1080p high ultra at 144 Hertz for the next couple generations. I
I wouldn't like are you running at it now then run at it now and then when it doesn't do it anymore
Look for an upgrade that runs it. That's the best way to handle it
Levi says yo, bro. Just wanted to say I get I better get tech linked. Oh, yeah tech linked is coming out today. Don't worry
Evo cat hi Linus was the video released on float playing about upgrading your VR running at true 60 Hertz
Threw me off a bit was wondering true 60 Hertz. I have no idea what you're talking about my VR
headset runs at
120 or 144 Hertz
If that's what you're asking
Alexis says bottom RTX 2070 super in part. Thanks to your buyer's guide. Oh, you're very welcome
Ilya you were going to deploy a new intro this year. What happened?
We we had people working on it, yeah
Took a while. It took a long time. Honestly. I don't know if I like it that much
No, but you know what?
We actually did one of those troll intros in the office makeover video and I actually really liked it
Oh really like what we just slap that together in like 30 minutes. Why don't we use that?
We'll see. Well, I think it was actually supposed to be kind of an MK BHD like intro. So I don't know
Executive happy holiday to you yours. Thank you very much
Charles Martin, thank you. Zach's tube. Thank you very much
PC pxc 550s for 180 CAD no-brainer. I wouldn't say that's a no-brainer purchase
You can get some really nice headphones on mass drop
and then pair it with a microphone and that might end up being like a
I don't want to say better because an all-in-one is better for some people because it's convenient but a higher quality solution
Henry Cavill according. Oh, I can't read your name. I'm so sorry
Thank you for the rubles though. Henry Cavill said on interview that he wishes to build his own gaming PC
Oh
I don't know how to get in touch with him
Yeah
But I'm I'm more than open to it if you guys want to hit him up and let him know
I'm super easy to get in touch with just the email on the YouTube page is
No, no, no, not Twitter. Oh, I think other people monitor your Twitter. No, not necessarily. Yeah, not in like the mentions and stuff
I missed no, no, no like a direct message
Um, Lucas says I've been following you since the NCX days. Here's some money from Google rewards. Thank you
Ben Nicholson asks, where are the dates gonna be confirmed for LTX? I don't know. I can't I can't say that. Okay, mr
Steele, are there any plans to stop streaming on YouTube if problems continue and we don't really have a choice like we have to
Yeah, we have to stream on YouTube. What else are we gonna do?
One API is amazing to compete with CUDA. Okay Thank You Saba. I think you missed a couple
Uh, thanks, Tony
And thank you very much trap boy
Thanks Windows XP, I'm fine. Thanks Sean. Oh wait Sean RG phone to 630 bucks. Is that USD? Oh man like
At that price I just get a one putt ah, but it has a headphone jack the camera sucks
like it sucks and
Like it's functional. Yeah, like you could get an image or whatever but like it's not competitive
So if you use your camera and you care about it, it's like
Precious memories have a lot of value to me and I'll use a crappy
Phone experience for a better camera for sure
Fire in the hole is the personal VPN video still in the works? Absolutely. Yes it is
Um, mr. Devon says Janice on tech LinkedIn when when more Yvonne to has anyone actually asked Janice if she wants to talk
No, I don't think so. I can ask her next time. She's in Highlander asks. Is it just me or does Yvonne?
Look bored out of her mind
No, no, I'm good
Thanks Sebastian
Grapp
I'm just busy absorbing all the information
Thanks
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That was worth five dollars
Robert LTT minecraft go live when beta is getting tons of players, but clearly we passed the
server launch date of December 25th
It'll be done when it's done Jake and team are working on it
We don't want to launch something that's not
Good, so or not at least decent. So give us time. Give us time
Gypsy dog says who's prettier Luke or Yvonne hands down Luke Wow
Robert says were you able to get the LG c9 to pass high def audio from your PC to your receiver or did the PC?
Only see the TV is capable of stereo
Not quite sure what you're talking about
So the issue that I had with the DisplayPort TV is that DisplayPort does carry audio and multi-channel audio
No problem, but what it doesn't carry is an audio return channel, so you can't go
Straight from your PC to your DisplayPort TV
And then have an HDMI connection out to your receiver so that let's say some other device
That's connected via HDMI to your receiver can also take advantage of high def audio
So that's the problem is that you need this audio return channel so that
Everything can use it even devices that are connected directly to the TV or to the receiver
Both of them can take advantage of that pass through to the receiver, so wait. Sorry. You know the one connected to the receiver
That's no problem. It's the one that's going through the TV. That's where you run into trouble because you have to pass it through
With a TV. I wouldn't think that would be a problem. I
Haven't actually checked and made sure that my center channel is running
But I'm pretty sure that it is because it does have arc and you just have to if you're having trouble with it
You do have to set the audio output on the TV to arc otherwise it'll use its onboard speakers
So I'm not sure if that's what you're asking
Thanks, Matt Taylor
Delivery date for the beta squadron shirts
Honestly, I don't know, but it should be reasonably soon given that you ordered it two weeks ago
So we had the shirts in stock, but they weren't printed yet
But we knew we were gonna be printing them pretty soon, so I believe they are printed now
So it shouldn't be long but guys remember even after the holiday season
The couriers are running a little behind from the backlog so you can't expect things to take a little longer this time of year
Alright Ben any plans for a non video editing workstation machine
I'd love to see benchmarks for compiling Linux and Firefox mechanical engineering simulations machine learning frameworks for common applications
That's the kind of thing that we would love to do more of
But we really need the expertise in-house in order to make it make sense now
We did do one that was focused on CAD a little while back
Most of those principles are still true and you could build a system around that video today
But we haven't really looked at things like simulation or machine learning
Hayden says visiting Calgary soon places you suggest visiting. I have no idea. I've never been there. What do you mean?
We just went to Banff. That's not in Calgary. Oh
Okay, sorry Alberta. Okay. Well. It's like two hours. I don't know if you have time to visit Banff
I would it's gorgeous there. Ah ha ha mr.. Lio see says Linus the only nerd who looks attractive with an earring ha ha
Ha ha ha ha thanks citrus
Fluke cast X I tell people LTT is great now. I send the money
I guess I'm a shill time to expose myself hashtag fluke as shill for LTT
All right can do just a couple more here guys
Thanks, Augusto appreciate it. Thanks, Sergi
Pickles has happy new year to you and your crew and your beautiful family here in the UK
Pickles has happy new year to you and your crew and your beautiful family here's to another year by the way Yvonne try and keep
Him from working too hard. Oh
Man, that's a failed thing failed experiment
alright um
Austin would love for a shout out for my latest devlog alright. Well there you go Austin Cameron
All right, that's it guys. Thank you very much for tuning in we will see you again next week same bad time same bad
Channel next year right yeah, happy new year everybody different that year yeah