And we're live.
It's WAN Show time again.
Welcome to the best show that takes place
on Friday afternoon on this particular channel.
That's all?
That's, yes.
I mean, I wouldn't compare it to anything else
because nothing else is really quite like the WAN Show.
So I have a special co-host this week
and the story behind this is actually a good one.
So Alex here has actually worked at Linus Media Group
for the better part of almost like two years now.
Is that right?
No.
Yeah, pretty close.
Wow.
So this will be your two year,
like annual performance review coming up,
like next month.
Yeah.
That's incredible.
So on his performance review will be a lot of good things.
Like Alex has done a great job of our laptop content,
a lot of our more makeery content.
He installed the single most dangerous thing
in our entire studio a few weeks ago, CNC.
You don't agree that's the most dangerous thing
in our studio?
Probably not.
Okay, what's more dangerous?
Other than Dennis with a power tool, that doesn't count.
You don't get to just take Dennis plus something
and create something more dangerous than the CNC
because you could just have Dennis plus the CNC.
There was that time when the laptop cart,
the like AC power screwed up
and it was just like the whole laptop cart had AC power.
Okay, but I'm talking present tense, the most dangerous
thing in our office.
That was pretty bad.
That was a bad scene.
Anyway, there's gonna be lots of good things,
but then we had him on to host an episode of Tech Linked
a couple of weeks ago.
And so actually the first time he did it
was a couple months ago and I watched it and I was like,
okay, yeah, like you kind of warmed up
more towards the end.
And you had your moments.
You had like some pretty brilliant moments.
Like the intro I thought was great.
And I checked in and I was like,
so you didn't realize the camera was on yet?
No.
Slash didn't realize they were going to use it.
No, I knew that.
You knew they were going to use it.
Okay, that's not what you said in our meeting.
Anyway, the point is there were these moments of brilliance
and I was like, okay, there's potential here,
but you and I need to kind of meet about hosting style
before you do another one.
And then we did.
And then he was hosting another one.
And halfway through, I was just like,
I think we're creating more pressure and more tension
with me standing here and like trying to help you
through this as opposed to helping.
So new plan.
You're going to help co-host the WAN show,
get a little bit more comfortable on camera
and we're going to go from there.
So we've got a lot of great topics for you guys this week.
What do you got?
What's your top picks for topics?
So AMD did really well.
Yes.
Oh, I didn't.
And now I wish that I really didn't.
Sorry, what do you got?
AMD, they have 64 core Epic processors.
You might say they're Epic.
Don't, don't.
That's like two in a row that are brutal.
And, oh, I don't even see it here,
but there was more news about AMD.
That's just not great.
What news was that?
Well, they...
That's not embargoed, is it?
That's not something like we're working on
that you overheard like me and Anthony discussing.
Is it?
No.
Oh, okay.
As long as you can find an article that you can cite,
throw that in the doc and we'll pull it up later.
But the rumors around AMD's Radeon RX 590
don't look particularly promising.
What does look promising is Samsung's promise
to unveil flexible display phones moving forward.
We'll be talking about that a little bit.
And this doesn't look promising.
This is actually just more annoying than anything else.
Apple is apparently blocking Linux installs
on computers equipped with their latest T2 security.
What are they trying to secure at this point?
Okay, sorry.
We'll discuss it in more detail later.
First, the intro.
It works sometimes.
It's still just always a surprise though.
You really need to update it, it's so old.
Like this intro was created back when we sat on a couch.
Yeah.
Yeah, we used to sit on a couch that looks just like that.
We even had like a little red cushion then.
That cushion.
And by the time we got rid of that couch,
it was disgusting because there would be times
when we'd be hosting the land show
on like a pretty warm afternoon.
The old office didn't have air conditioning.
And like even this one,
being out here in the warehouse during the summer,
like it didn't have air conditioning
until the very end of the summer of this year.
We actually never got to turn it on, I don't think.
You know we have air conditioning out here now, right?
Oh, I didn't know that.
Yeah, look, there's one unit here
and then there's one over on the other side.
The crappy air conditioning installers
are the reason that our roof leaks right now.
Oh, I was kind of wondering what caused that.
Yeah, so fix one problem, create another.
That's life for you, right?
So anyway, that cushion,
I would usually put it behind me
because the Ikea couch that we bought for the land show
was sort of like not really the right proportions for me.
Like the cushions were too long.
They're just not comfortable.
I was being kind, I was being kind.
So maybe they're not comfortable for anyone
because Alex doesn't look like it right now
because he's slouching a lot.
And maybe it's more in his legs,
but he's a lot taller than me.
So if it doesn't work for me and it doesn't work for you,
it probably doesn't work for most people.
So I would always have this cushion behind me
and I'm a bit of a back sweater.
So that cushion was never washed.
And for literally years, once a week,
I would soak back sweat into it.
So it had like this kind of, you know that musky smell?
That like attracts the ladies?
No, not that kind of musk.
No, the really gross musk.
Luke's out this week for those of you who are asking.
Thank you for asking.
Let's appreciate, let's appreciate new Luke
because James is new Luke.
So you don't get to be new Luke.
You're like, you can be new James,
except that I think you were hired at the same time.
All right.
What topic do you want to jump into?
You want to talk about AMD's 64 core epic processors?
Sure, they're 64 cores, seven nanometer.
Awesome.
And this is why you were kicked off TechLinked.
So AMD is really, really turning the,
turning the, what are they, what are they called?
Thumb screws?
Yeah, turning the thumb screws on Intel.
That's a torture device, thumb screws.
No, not that kind of thumb screws.
Thumb screws, they just go in your case.
No, no, thumb screws are a thing.
Hold on a minute.
No, no, we're going to use my screen to Google it
because, okay, thumb screws, torture.
Okay, thumb screw, torture, thank you.
Thumb screw, there you go.
Oh, that looks horrible.
Yeah.
I really don't want that on my thumbs.
So it's bad.
So you twist, you put the thumbs in there
is my understanding.
Actually here, this one looks pretty brutal.
And then you twist this thing, a wing nut,
and it, I think just like shatters the bones in your thumb.
Simple vice with protruding studs,
victim's thumbs, fingers or toes replaced in the vice
and slowly crushed.
So that's what AMD is doing to Intel.
Basically putting a lot of pressure on them right now
to figure out how to respond to the onslaught.
Because last year with the launch of their Ryzen processors
and the launch of their Epic processors,
AMD got competitive.
Now it's starting to look a little more interesting.
It's not like watching an exciting horse race
where you know which horse is going to win,
but the other one is giving her the old college try.
This is like watching a race where sometimes horse one wins
and sometimes horse two wins.
So with Zen 2, we are expecting to see IPC improvements
to the desktop chips.
Meanwhile, Intel hasn't managed to do anything
other than bump core counts in the last couple of years.
And on the server side of things is,
remember this is where the big money is made.
This is where Intel has products in their lineup
that cost anywhere between 2000 to $10,000 per chip.
And we talk about like expensive consumer CPUs.
Like when you're reviewing a laptop
and I say, okay, it's got a $500 HQ,
or excuse me, HK processor in it.
Yeah.
You're going.
That's not a whole lot sometimes, but in this a lot.
I think typically you would say that's expensive.
Yeah.
Okay.
I don't know, it depends.
You usually whine about them.
Well, yeah, but that's normally because they're not cooled.
Okay, yes.
Oh, okay.
So in those cases, you're paying the extra for it.
And you aren't getting extra performance
because they run really quite warm
and they end up throttling.
But anyway, so in the context of something
like a $1,500 laptop, a $500 CPU is really expensive.
In the context of a server, you know,
you could easily spend thousands of dollars on a CPU.
Like they kind of start
where the high-end consumer level chips end.
And the craziest thing about it is we're not talking,
you know, Alex Clark and his one laptop and one desktop
or Linus Sebastian, his one laptop and handful of desktops.
We're talking gigantic data centers.
Like what was that place you checked out?
How many CPU's did they have that?
6,000 at LIGO.
At LIGO, right.
And so was that 6,000 CPU's
or 6,000 boxes with two CPU's each?
I don't remember exactly
but it was a whole bunch of Blade servers
that were set up with a bunch of Xeons in them.
Like I think they had a bunch of 24 and 16 core processors.
So in an installation like that,
yeah, 24 and 16 core processors.
So in an installation like that,
all of a sudden AMD is now competitive
in the lucrative data center market.
And with Epic, I don't think anyone,
even AMD really expected their Epic processors
to come in and like immediately steal
half of Intel's market share.
Because the reality of it is that the data center market
doesn't move that quickly.
The way that these products get validated
is over a much longer period of time.
And the planning that goes on
for these kinds of installations
just means that even if AMD had
the world's best supercomputer processor today,
it is unlikely you'd actually see
like an actual supercomputer built with them
for another 12, 18, or even 24 months.
That's the way that it works for those kinds of things.
So AMD got competitive when they launched Epic
and when they launched Ryzen.
Now they're saying Zen 3 and Zen 4 are on track.
They demonstrated a seven nanometer Epic Rome,
code name Rome processor with 64 cores.
And they've had some time for the industry
to get used to the idea that they might wanna plan
on using AMD for these installations.
So you have to have the jab and the hook.
So the first one was the jab.
Hey, by the way, we're here, pay attention to us.
This is the, hey, you've got us in the back of your mind.
Hey, guess what?
It gets even better, boom, 64 core processor.
Oh, by the way, did we mention we're cheaper?
Oh, by the way, did we mention
that we support these massive amounts of memory?
Oh, by the way, remember all those PCI express lanes
that we have and our competitor doesn't?
They're still there.
And then like, I think that the real like dead pool,
like crotch to the face is the fact
that it's also infinitely scalable.
Like they can just, as Intel would say,
just glue on the course and just keep on doing it.
There was such a jelly vibe from that jab from Intel
when they were talking about AMD gluing cores together.
Yes, okay, technically gluing cores together
is a more technical term than it sounds like.
But it still, it just had this like,
it had this salty vibe to it
that they were just like kind of petulant about it.
Like, well, their core, their CPUs aren't real
cause they're just, they just got toothpicks
and bottle caps and glue
and they put them together like that.
Well, they still are working pretty well.
So watch out, bud.
In this context, I think it makes a lot of sense
cause right now Intel is also just
like putting two CPUs on a board.
Yeah, so that was on just Monday
that Intel announced their 48 core Xeon
which appears to be two CPUs on like a, on a substrate.
Is that, is that what it looked like or?
I think so.
Yeah, you'll have to, it's not a ton of details
and I know it's actually didn't look that closely at it
because it requires a new socket.
I think it has like 12 channel memory,
but it's my understanding again, don't quote me on this.
I might as well just look it up, 48 core Xeon.
But my understanding is it has 12 channel memory
in big quotes, multi-chip package.
Yeah, here it is.
Okay, so original article then is from a non-tech
and I'm basically gonna read it with you guys here.
Scaling up to 48 cores per CPU.
Oh no, no, no.
Oh, where did that mute button go?
Oh, wow.
Wow, I'm sorry everyone, there we go.
Battlefield five, blah, blah, blah.
Yeah, here we go.
Typical, oh no, that's a four socket something or other.
Okay, two socket system until Xeon.
Yeah, here we go.
So yeah, technically there's these 12 memory channels,
but that's just because we are basically looking
at two CPUs on a single package.
And then this is where it gets really crazy.
These things get a new socket that is gonna have,
hold on, oh wow.
Current 24 core, platinum runs at 205 watts.
We don't know what frequency they're gonna run at.
24 cores per die.
Wow, PCI Elanes.
Oh wait, okay, so PCI Elanes.
Anywhere between 48, 24 per die or 96, 48 per die,
which again would be identical to just running four CPUs
in a quad socket board.
Trying to find the memory channels, but it's just nuts.
I wish I could find the socket.
Two socket server, 12 VDR channel.
Wow, that ad played again as I scrolled back up.
Whatever, it doesn't really matter.
The point is this thing is redonkulous.
And AMD, instead of launching like a new platform,
so new socket, new chip set, weird CPUs
that are like actually more literally glued together,
AMD is refreshing an existing socket,
which like I said, in the data center space,
in the enterprise space matters
because these kinds of deployments take time to plan.
And just because they plan things over a long period of time
doesn't mean that they can't leverage
the most up-to-date components
if the supplier has a roadmap that makes any sense.
So if AMD says, okay, look, here's our Epic platform.
I still kind of think that they called it that.
Here's our Epic platform, EPYC.
Here's our Epic platform.
Here's the servers that are based on this.
Oh, hey, we're a month from your deployment.
You haven't actually cut your PO yet.
By the way, we just doubled the core count
or we have a higher frequency part
that it's at the same price and the same TDP.
Go ahead and chuck those in instead.
Great.
Whereas when you're rolling out an all new platform,
well, that throws a complete wrench.
You can't just swap that into a deployment.
It doesn't work that way.
So AMD looks to be firing on all cylinders right now
and Intel is still.
Yeah, and it's already on what?
Amazon web services and 10% cheaper
than Intel based solutions.
And while we're at it, I guess AMD announces
the Radeon Instinct, which seems like it should be awesome,
but I think it's mostly for blockchain and cryptocurrency.
So the Instinct MI60 and the MI50.
So these are aimed at the enterprise accelerator market,
with AMD looking to significantly improve
their performance competitiveness
in everything from HPC to machine learning.
So these would be the kinds of things
that they would do at SFUs supercomputers.
So researchers who are working on,
oh man, I forget what some of the examples
of things that they were doing there were,
but things like simulation,
like processing gigantic data sets,
those can be accelerated by GPU compute.
What's the biology stuff that they do?
Sequencing.
Yep, that kind of thing.
I mean, we're just kind of guessing
that's just what that space does.
I don't know how much market share AMD actually gained
with their initial Instinct processors,
but these look like an improvement.
So they've got support for half rate double precision
up from one 16th rate.
So they've got, so this is especially useful
for machine learning inferencing
where high precision isn't necessary.
Okay.
Oh no, they have new low precision data types.
That's useful for machine learning inferencing
where high precision isn't necessary.
And they're also able to get up to four times
the performance of an FP16 data type
when using the smallest in four day, okay, okay.
So basically they've got some new,
some new modes that they operate in pretty much.
Peak throughput of 7.4 teraflops, FP64, 14.7 FP32.
So, okay.
Neat.
I mean, this is the kind of thing
that won't have a lot of relevance to you and me necessarily
at least if the rumors on the street are to be believed
with respect to AMD's consumer GPUs.
So the original article is from WCCF Tech.
So we'll have to take it with the grain of salt
that people seem to think we should take it with.
From my experience, their rumor stuff
isn't really any worse than anyone else's rumor stuff.
Like, is it?
I don't know.
But apparently their third Polaris GPU revision is coming
and it's gonna be called the RX 590.
So wow, it looks like they've even gotten their hands
on the AMD confidential NDA required under embargo until,
oh, there's this thing there that says comments.
I can't see when it's under embargo till.
But this looks like an official AMD slide deck.
I don't even know why they bother having embargoes
at this point.
Well, I don't even know why they bother calling it
something new at this point.
Making this GPU, if the rumors are true.
It has 2,304 cores compared to the Radeon RX 580s 200,
or 2,304 cores.
Yep, so that's the same number of cores.
How much RAM does it have?
Eight gigabytes compared to the eight gigabytes.
The bus width is 556 bit compared to 556.
And the name is 590 though.
That's a change.
That's a change.
That's an improvement.
And it's slightly higher clocked.
Okay, so what we don't know right now,
cause we can see on that main title slide,
latest generation FinFET 12,
that it could be going from 14 nanometer to 12 nanometer,
sort of.
Because if it uses TSMC's 12 nanometer process,
that might actually be an improvement
to power characteristics and performance.
If it uses Global Foundry's 12 nanometer,
that's actually based very closely,
like it might even be a little disingenuous
to call it 12 nanometer compared to the 14 nanometer process
that AMD was already using on the RX 580.
So do they have,
actually, do they have leaked die sizes here at all?
Uh, no.
Cause that might tell us something interesting.
No, they don't.
So what we don't know is if this 12 nanometer shrink
is just giving us some better power efficient,
actually, do they have rated power drop?
No.
No, nothing leaked in power draw either.
So it's possible that these are just overclocked,
but I mean, really this was all AMD could come up with
to say, to sell this thing.
Latest generation FinFET 12,
which quite frankly, in my personal opinion,
should not be a selling feature
that you put in front of a consumer.
Does that seem fair?
Yeah.
Why does my cousin care what FinFET process you're using?
He's not going to.
What matters is how many FPS,
how many dollars I pay,
what cool features it has,
like, you know, automatic, you know,
gameplay recording or special anti-aliasing modes
or whatever the case may be.
Or drivers that work.
Yeah. How many FinFETs it has doesn't matter.
Okay.
Selling point number two,
aggressive tuning for higher clocks.
So we already have that graphics card.
That's called the RX 580 OC.
Okay.
Enhanced idle and multi-monitor efficiency.
That is a driver improvement.
And finally, expanded options and robust partner designs.
So basically they're saying
they're not making a reference card.
Is that what that sounds like to you?
Yeah.
Cause that's what that sounds like to me.
All right. So expect-
I'm not impressed.
Expected pricing is 250 to 300 US.
What was the 580 right around there?
I think they should just call it the 580 X
and then we would be like, awesome.
They made a faster 580.
Good job guys.
Instead of being like, it's a 580, but now we're mad.
You know, that is a really good point.
And it's actually not a video about an AMD product
but we do have a video coming up
about a product that is currently embargoed.
So I can't say what it is unfortunately
which is really frustrating
cause it would make this story more interesting.
But basically we've got a product
that we've got our hands on already and we've been testing
and the manufacturer refused to disclose to us
certain aspects of the specifications of the device.
And here's the stupid thing about it.
It makes me feel kind of disrespected.
Yeah, like we have it.
We have it in our hands and we can measure
these characteristics.
It's not particularly complicated to do so.
So they're either disrespecting our competence
because they don't think that if they don't tell us
we'll be able to put two and two together here
or they are disrespecting our time
because now we have to invest time to measure something
that they could have simply provided on a spreadsheet
or they are disrespecting our thoroughness
because they don't think that we're gonna bother
to talk about this.
Like there's no way that I can slice this and feel respected.
Maybe they're disrespecting our viewers.
That's another way because they don't seem to think
that they need the full story.
So why make it any easier to get there?
Like, can you come up with a way
that not providing some spec of your product
is respectful to your partners?
Because that's what the media are.
No, I can't.
And it's just baffling.
And that's what I honestly,
that's what I feel like a lot of these kinds of skews,
whether the 590 turns out to be what it looks like
it might be, which is just a rehash of the 580,
but like maybe from a different supplier,
depending on what manufacturer they're using for the chips.
And this other thing that I'm talking about,
it just like these rebrands,
it just feels like why even bother them?
Why even seed us a unit?
Why not just say outright,
we are trying to mislead the general consumer
into thinking this is something new when it isn't.
Actually, do you think they're doing the 590?
Because they did the 580 whatever SP,
they rebranded the 570 to be a 580.
I really don't like what AMD is doing on their GPU side.
Like I understand why they're doing it.
They're doing it because they got nothing.
It's like, it's very obvious.
They just, they got nothing.
And Nvidia has new stuff
that they are obviously planning to roll out.
And AMD is like, well, that's the way it works.
Like when your competitor launches something,
you got to launch something.
So if we can't launch something new,
I guess we'll launch what we already got.
And they already did that with the 580.
But at least they called it something different.
No, that's what they're doing again.
They're just calling it something different.
No, the 580 did, okay.
My understanding is the 580 was a different die
even though it was only slightly optimized.
Okay, so 480, 2,304, 590, same thing.
Oh AMD.
When is the last time AMD launched a new graphics card?
Well, they did Vega, but they don't exist really.
Do they not?
Like, can you buy a Vega 56 on Newegg?
Like you couldn't during the whole mining thing.
Like they were impossible to get.
But I don't really know why you would.
Like you can get them in an iMac Pro.
Yeah, okay, there's an ASRock.
There's an ASRock reference card on Newegg.
There's a power color mini.
That's pretty cool.
Or a nano router.
Oh, cool.
Okay, yeah, there's a handful of Vega 56s in stock.
But then, okay, let's take a pretty well-known brand
like XFX.
You could make the argument XFX is kind of to AMD
what EVGA is to Nvidia.
At least you used to be able to.
They used to have like a lifetime warranty and stuff.
Actually, I don't think they do anymore.
Anyway, let's take some brand, XFX.
And let's try to buy 10 of these.
And let's update our cart.
How do you update your cart?
Update quantities.
And it's looking like that 1070s are considerably cheaper.
They've got, no, they've got 10 in stock though.
So apparently, no, they've got,
okay, Newegg used to correct you.
Like here, let's see.
Cause there's no way they have like 50 of these things.
Yeah, okay, they have 49 of these in stock.
So apparently they're actually selling.
All right, maybe we didn't give RX Vega enough credit.
Or maybe they have 49 in stock
cause they can't figure out how to get rid of them.
The point is, I don't like what AMD is doing
on the graphics side of things.
But at the end of the day, as long as they're kicking ass
on one side of the business,
then it seems like they can keep surviving.
Cause for a while there,
it was graphics that was keeping them alive.
And they're like, okay, you guys just please,
just carry us deadweight CPU guys
until we can get Zen out.
And then you can rest.
All right.
So Apple blocking Linux installs.
Why would they do this?
Yeah, I just don't get it.
Who cares?
Like, okay, so the source was JITO463 on the forum.
The original article here is from the register.
Okay, walk us through this.
What is going on here?
I have no idea.
And I don't understand why it would happen.
So they're blocking Linux.
That's all that I know.
I really felt like this article
was addressed to me personally.
And I realize now it's the other Linux.
Oh yes.
It's like, whoa, what?
Cause I was actually like seriously considering
the MacBook Air until I realized
that it doesn't have the quad core eighth gen processors,
which was really baffling to me.
Actually our MacBook Air is not gonna arrive till Tuesday.
So you guys are gonna have to wait
for our content on the MacBook Air,
but I was so amped on this thing
cause I didn't watch the keynote or attend the event.
I just got excited cause like Apple
was finally launching a new MacBook Air.
And I was like, Alex, cause he wanted to do the review.
Yeah, I wanted it really bad
cause I thought the same thing.
And then I was like, Alex,
I don't think you're gonna get to do it
because I think I might even use it as a daily driver.
Like I'm gonna bootcamp it and I'm gonna, you know what?
I'm gonna give Mac OS a shot
because I do every once in a while.
And then he gets, he replies to me.
I think this is in the Hangouts or something.
Yeah, and it's just like, it's a dual core.
And I was like, no, no, no, it's eighth gen core i7.
Surely they have a quad core option.
And no, yeah, we just found the stuff.
Like why?
Like everything, like not this surface.
It's got all the Thunderbolt ports and it's all sexy.
And it's got the battery life.
It could have finally just been.
We could have finally had the laptop we're both waiting for.
Because like you're on the surface laptop
and here, you know what?
This is awesome.
30 second review of that, go.
Okay, best keyboard, best screen because it's four by three.
Overall, just generally awesome.
No Thunderbolt, sucks.
Okay.
Like I'm not plugged in right now
because no way, no, can't do it.
Right, you'd need to display port to HDMI adapter.
Okay, here I go with the razor blade stealth.
Pretty good build quality, pretty good keyboard.
Nice big track pad, could be bigger, okay display.
It's fine I guess, has Thunderbolt.
So eGPU, very nice mediocre battery life.
And I don't like the keyboard at all.
And he doesn't like the keyboard at all.
So we're both kind of waiting for something to be perfect.
And people are probably yelling right now
that the Dell XPS 13 has all of that,
but I just don't like it.
Yeah.
I don't know, like I just kind of open it up
and the screen's really small
and you can only get like the 4K one
and then everything's really crammed
or you don't get touch.
And honestly, 4K displays on a screen that size
make no sense because once you start scaling windows
like 250%, stuff does look kind of stupid.
Like I know that that's an aesthetic quibble
and that's maybe not legitimate or whatever,
but either of us could use an XPS 13 and we don't.
So deal with it.
Oh, people are saying the gram build quality is trash.
Yeah, well.
It's not trash. Not on all of them.
It's pretty good.
We don't like the 15.
Yeah, but the 13 doesn't have Thunderbolt.
And the 13 doesn't have Thunderbolt.
See this is a problem.
You know what though that new HP Envy,
that new, the X360 that we looked at in the writer's meeting
are we getting one?
I'm not sure.
Okay, tell you what, let's just buy one
if we can't get one.
All right.
Okay, so let's get one of those
because do we agree that one looks promising?
It does, yeah.
If the battery life is on point and the build quality,
I have yet to encounter an HP laptop keyboard
that has lit a fire in my soul though.
That's the one thing I'm really worried about
because for better or for worse,
you can make an amazing laptop.
You can make the perfect laptop.
And if it doesn't have a decent screen,
you will never sell it to either of the people
sitting behind this desk right now.
Did I say screen?
Keyboard.
You did say screen, yeah.
Keyboard for me is the main thing.
Keyboard is key.
And touch screen,
I can't just use like a non touch screen anymore.
Keyboard is key.
I was just trying to go past that.
Come on.
I guess that the Mac book doesn't have a touch screen, but.
Yeah, actually touch screen is kind of a big deal to me too.
All right.
It's like one thing that we do do a lot
that people probably don't know is the like teleprompter,
like the ghetto one where you kind of like, like this.
You're kind of reflecting, but yeah.
So we'll literally be like on location somewhere.
Where's the last place that you and I did together?
I'm thinking of general fusion,
but I know we've done once within seven.
Did we do that before or after the trip down to SpaceX?
I don't remember.
I think we had a prompter at SpaceX.
Yeah, we did.
Yeah, anyway.
But all of CES.
You know what?
We're going to have to get back to this
because we haven't done our sponsors for the show yet.
Oh goodness.
Sponsor number one is be quiet.
Oh wow.
Oh God.
This is complicated.
So.
I'm just going to sit back.
Hold on.
Let me get that shirt.
This is the silent base 801.
Ooh.
I just pulled the filter off the front.
No, no, wait.
You're going to hit the mic.
Okay.
Right there.
Okay.
I'm going to put that filter back.
Did I put it back right?
Oh good.
Okay, cool.
You know what?
I really like.
It's really back.
It's backwards.
So don't hit the mic.
Don't hit the mic.
That will hurt everyone.
Oh goodness.
Dang it.
Okay.
We're turning it the wrong way.
I know, right.
It's backwards.
I'm going to turn this side panel off.
Okay.
This is really easy.
I swear when like Linus isn't holding it.
What are you doing?
Okay.
There we go.
Let's try that.
Let's try that again.
Meanwhile, be quiet.
Watching this.
They're just like, really you guys there.
Oh, okay.
Got your acoustic dampening stuff in there.
Trust me.
It's in there.
I can't see.
Anyway, that's the back panel.
So you got your SSD mounts.
You got really nice built-in fan control, which is awesome.
These are interesting, but from the other side.
So you can kind of use them to route cables from over here
or from the other side, what's neat is that you can install
all the three and a half inch hard drives you want
or leave it completely blank.
It's totally up to you.
So there's three SSD mounts back there.
Moving around to the front.
Is this literally the case that we used for that build?
Or is this the second one?
Oh, so different case.
Oh, okay.
About the same case.
About the same one.
Yeah, okay.
So we actually have a build coming in this
where we're gonna do like the fastest gaming PC.
Tempered glass side panel.
Of course, the year is 2018.
You gotta have that.
Included Pure Wings fans.
I believe it's three of them.
Yep.
Two in the front, one in the back.
You've also got, these are those three and a half inch cages
that you can install all up and down here.
Really nice clean basement here.
So you don't have to see.
Here, can you hold that for a second?
So you don't have to see your power supply wires
or anything like that.
Like it's really easy and really quick
to do a nice clean build in it.
I have no idea what BeQuiet's talking points
were for this thing.
So, you know.
We must have got them.
We probably missed a handful of them,
but it is what it is at this point.
Oh, goodness.
And that was the last time BeQuiet ever worked with us.
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Oh, yes.
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I was taking that.
No.
Well, okay, hold on a second.
We've got Reaper.
I'm going for the sriracha bacon.
All right, what a bliss.
All right, I'm gonna have some sriracha teriyaki.
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They've got 13 different flavors of jerky
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which is my personal favorite.
They also make barbecue sauce, hot sauce, and a spice rub.
I haven't actually tried the spice rub or the barbecue sauce,
but I've tried the hot sauce.
It is delicious.
And their Carolina Reaper hot sauce
is one of the hottest peppers in the world.
The elephant weighing pepper.
Just kidding.
It's the Carolina Reaper pepper, obviously.
Anyway, you can use offer code Linus
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No, it's not made of elephant weighing pepper.
No, but I just kind of want to try it now.
It's hot.
Have you never tried it?
I think that I did and it was unpleasant.
Yeah, it's not like it tasted really good,
but it was like...
Oh, it burns.
It's burning.
Like it burns, not just when you pee, you know?
Like just burns.
Yeah, like I think that-
It doesn't actually burn there.
I tried it before and I was like,
wow, that was really great.
And then like 20 seconds later,
I was just like, but I don't know,
let's just do it again.
All right.
So this is in my mouth.
Not too bad yet.
Did you put the whole thing in?
Yeah.
All right, well stay tuned for the sweat breaking out
on his brow over the course of the next half.
No, you don't get to take your drink already.
All right, so right now it's pleasant,
but like we're getting there.
Back to Apple blocking Linux install.
So their T2 security chip is blocking Linux
from booting on Mac devices.
And the T2 security chip,
the way it was sold to us anyway,
is supposed to be about encrypting your data
so that if someone steals your device,
they can't get at it.
But instead it looks like the new MacBook Air
and Mac mini that both come with the T2 chip embedded
are going to, yes.
Okay, whatever.
So the latest iMac Pro,
the latest MacBook Pro,
so the new MacBook Air, the Mac mini,
any of the devices that Apple makes
that come with the T2 chip embedded,
they're gonna have a secure enclave.
They're gonna have APFS storage encryption,
touch ID handling,
a hardware microphone disconnect on lid clothes
and other security features.
But the T2 chip also restricts the boot process.
And it means that Linux support on Mac hardware
is now not just bad or inconvenient.
It is non-existent.
By default, even Windows isn't bootable
until you enable support for Windows
via the Boot Camp Assistant on macOS.
Wow.
So what this'll do is install
the Windows Production CA 2011 certificate
that's used to authenticate Microsoft boot loaders,
but it doesn't set up the Microsoft approved
UEFI certificate that allows verification
of code by Microsoft partners.
So even when the secure boot functionality
has been disabled,
the T2 chip is reportedly still blocking operating systems
aside from macOS and Windows 10 specifically.
I really like this headline that they have here
where it's just T2, more like Terminator 2.
Is this a register?
But like, I know so many programmers
that use MacBooks and MacBook Airs all the time.
And all of them use Linux on it.
Like they never use macOS or like sometimes they do,
but a lot of them just use Linux.
So I have no clue why they would do this.
I mean, there's the obvious sort of snarky argument.
Well, why are you buying a MacBook
if you don't want to run macOS?
And I can come up with some pretty easy answers to that.
Maybe you don't want to run macOS all the time.
And also they're just really good laptops.
Also, they're just pretty nice hardware.
And here's another thing.
Like people complain a lot
about the repairability of Apple hardware.
And it is a legitimate complaint.
We have run into that problem ourselves.
However, for better or for worse,
because of the ubiquity of Apple hardware,
even though it's very difficult to repair,
finding someone who has gone to the effort
of figuring out how to repair it
can actually be easier in some cases.
Do you get what I mean by this?
And finding spare parts is really easy too.
Like stuff like power connectors, even if it's soldered,
you can like find a dead one really easy
and then just pew.
And like we mean really easy
and of course a relative sense.
Yeah, like my friends in engineering
would make a good buck off of it.
It's still hard and it's still a hassle
and Apple could still support third party
like service providers a lot better or at all.
But at least these third-party service providers
keep fighting through and keep finding a way.
Although the T2 chip looks like
it really might kibosh a lot of this.
All right.
US internet traffic routed through China for two plus years.
Yeah, we don't have a lot of time left, so.
Yeah, and I don't really wanna talk about that too much
until it's confirmed.
Yeah.
And I was like, what was the other thing?
Some of these topics are kind of like, duh.
Like Teal Ghost posted this on the forum.
Google confirms that dark mode saves battery on Android.
Really?
Like you think?
Anyway, the good news is we're finally getting dark mode.
Samsung is also planning to add it with their new One UI,
which sounds good, I hope.
I don't know, when Samsung announces
they're doing a new Android skin,
it's like, will they make it better?
Will they bung it up?
Will they finally fix my battery drain issue?
I had it again the other day and now it's fixed again, so.
Actually small iOS, just really annoying thing.
You can turn the keyboard dark,
but then the area below the keyboard still stays light.
So it just looks horrible and I can't deal with it.
Oh yeah, you've been using iOS for a little while.
How's that going?
I don't like it at all.
There's just like a couple small things that like,
I got through the initial, like not liking it
because I just didn't know how to use it.
Have you found some of the beautiful things though?
Like being able to reposition your cursor with a 3D touch
or force touch or whatever they call it on the phone?
No, how do you use that?
It's really cool.
I've been really annoyed with like copying links.
Yeah, so do you have your phone on you?
Yes.
This is one of those like,
I forget how I lived without it
every time I go back to the iPhone.
So here, let's just like type-ity type-ity type some stuff.
And if you want to reposition your cursor.
Oh.
Neat, huh?
I had no clue how to do that.
Yeah.
So Apple does a really good job
of some little quality of life things.
And I'm at the point now where I think a lot of people
assumed from my iPhone XS video
that I hated the iPhone or hated the XS.
I don't hate it.
I just don't care about it.
It's just not interesting.
Yeah.
And quite frankly for me,
there are things that drive me nuts about both sides.
Like my Google Pixel 3 XL review
is not gonna be particularly positive either.
And I think I'm just jaded and tired of phones.
And so that's why I'm not gonna be
our main writer for phone videos anymore
because I think I just can't handle it anymore.
So I'm still gonna be like senior editor,
but I'm like one of our better received phone videos
over the last little while,
the ROG phone was actually 95% prepared by Jake.
Not by me.
So there you go.
Take that for what it is.
I just wanna like whinge about a couple more things.
Sure, go for it.
Is that the XS or the, yeah.
Yeah.
That's the XS, right?
So I can't put all of my icons down on the bottom.
So like, you only get four.
I want five.
Yes.
In order to search something,
I need to go all the way over to the left.
Nope, nope, nope.
Search is good.
Yeah, I can search that for you.
So you search just by swiping down anywhere.
No, but you still, you swipe down,
then you have to click on it.
No, it auto-populated.
Look, I can type.
See, I didn't have to click it.
Okay, so.
Okay, they do have some stupid stuff like that though,
where you'll like, I think it's,
when you look up a contact or something,
I think you have to actually click the stupid text field
before you can start typing.
No, but you get to it and now I need to click search web.
And then it opens on Safari.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay.
Whereas like on the Pixel, you just go over,
it searches your whole phone and the web at once.
You know what's funny?
I'm so old.
And it's just right at the bottom,
like on my other phone, it's right here.
I'm so old fashioned that whenever I want to Google search,
I open Chrome and then start typing.
I literally have maybe twice in my life used,
even though on a lot of my phones,
it's just there by default.
And I just forget it.
I just like can't even see it.
That Google bar that's on my home screen.
I just don't even use it because I'm old and stupid.
Okay.
It's kind of like Jake saw me.
Well, but like I've had that search bar on my phone
on the home screen since I had a Samsung S2.
So like, how have you not gotten used to it since then?
Jake, it's just, I'm just old.
I'm just old and stupid.
So Jake saw me trying to pay for something
with my credit card with tap the other day.
And I took my whole card and I like put it down
on the reader and he's like, wow, you're so old.
I'm like, what?
And he's like, well, the antenna is right there.
So you only have to go against it like this.
And I'm like, okay.
Like, yeah, I never gave any thought to where the,
to where the actual NFC or excuse me,
RFID element was inside the card.
And if I had, I would have known that.
Yes, I only have to put like, I'm not an idiot.
I know how RFID works, but I just never thought about it
because I'm old and I just,
I always just put it against it and it always just worked.
So what do I care?
So I always put it against it.
Cause I did that for a little bit where it's like the end.
Cause I kind of felt cool, but it sometimes just,
it bugs out and I find if you do the whole thing,
it works more of the time.
Well, there you go.
I feel validated right now.
Speaking of validation,
we should probably validate some of our super chat.
Oh goodness.
People, because we haven't yet and that's really terrible.
I can't read it.
It's me, sad face.
This high line is keep up the good work.
Dave says, love LTT.
Would love to see that you team up with retro RGB
for a retro gaming video.
Interesting.
We do have some retro stuff planned.
So stay tuned for that.
Dark inertia.
Hi.
Showdown channel super fun budget gave us five euros.
Believe it or not, channel super fun is still fully funded.
People are, excuse me, eating my jerky hungry.
People internally are allowed to shoot channel super fun.
If they can find time to do it,
they're allowed to spend the entire AdSense income
from channel super fun on channel super fun,
which means that over the last six months
where we've done basically nothing,
there's literally thousands of dollars in a bucket
that people could just spend doing cool stuff
if they wanted to.
But I'm just not pushing it.
That's all.
You know what I really want to do?
Acetylene powered potato cannon.
I know you want to do that,
but that I think is not a particularly amazing idea.
So they also have to-
No, do you realize how dangerous acetylene is
and how great it is in a potato cannon?
I built one of these before
and we had to like wrap it in duct tape
because it kind of exploded.
And then it like really exploded.
It was really great.
Zach Carter says, it's my birthday.
Happy birthday.
Love your quality content in quotes.
Thank you, Zach.
Sir Plexer says, instead of buying a better CPU,
I would buy an OS made for gaming, cutting out the crap.
Unfortunately, that doesn't really exist.
Believe it or not, cutting the crap out of your OS
doesn't really do much for gaming.
In fact, we still need to do that follow-up
on Windows game mode.
Oh yeah.
We should do that.
Laggy says, hi Linus, love your videos.
Will there be an ROG rig reboot 2019?
Oh wow, I don't know.
Hopefully.
We haven't even finished 2018 yet.
Yes, thank you, Colton.
That's the plan.
Evil says, where's Lucky?
Someone moved him over to 101.
So I planned to move him back,
but I had put him in the set there
and then yeah, I think it was Brandon.
I think Brandon got rid of him.
Literally wasted 20 minutes of my time.
It's not a waste of 20 minutes of your time
if you don't spend 20 minutes moving him, Brandon.
If you just leave him in his home.
I think it would have been really great.
In my way.
I need the space.
No, but just think about how great it would have been
for this Razer video to just have him in the background.
Right?
Just chilling there, you know?
Christian says, I've watched your content
for five plus years.
Never fails to entertain me.
Awesome.
Neil says, wanna show my support?
Thanks, Neil.
Oh, wow.
There's so many of these.
Laggy Tech is back again.
Oh man, Laggy Tech.
I'm sorry.
It was just cause I wasn't looking at them yet.
It wasn't that I like, wasn't gonna read your comment.
I mean, sometimes that is it,
but sending more probably won't help.
C. Kurosu.
Would I notice any latency going from a TN to IPS
for gaming?
So we actually have a video coming soon.
And it's not really about that.
Actually, yeah, it's really not about that at all.
I don't know.
I personally can notice the difference,
but it's like, that's if I have them side by side,
like a 144 TN beside a 144 IPS, you'll notice.
Yeah.
But a lot of the time I'll just be like,
Ooh, that IPS is just way better.
I find the IPS advantages more noticeable
than the TN advantages,
but I can certainly see like, if you're like,
we've got a 240 Hertz TN from ASUS in the office here.
And like in CSGO, like whipping around,
you can still see detail in like-
It's amazing.
On a wall in dust too.
And it's incredible.
But I would take IPS over that every time.
By the way, this guy also says BT dubs Alex,
you're a wonderful addition to the team.
Oh, why thank you.
Kudos to you.
Linus is okay too, I guess.
Kaija, keep up the good work.
Thank you.
Mina Desu says,
don't forget they're not going to make a 1080 TI anymore.
I actually didn't know that.
That kind of makes sense.
It's just kind of unfortunate.
What do you want Jakub?
But also whatever.
We're reading super chats.
Oh, perfect.
Here you go.
What is this?
Am I in the-
Oh, folding.
Yes, folding's great.
Oh yeah.
People should fold.
It's folding month.
So in support of fighting diseases and things,
we're going to give away three GPUs this month,
a 1080 and two 1070s.
And to win the two 1070s,
all you have to do is fold on our team.
Lmg.gg slash folding for more information.
Do it.
Are you providing these GPUs?
Yeah, just pulling them out of my butt.
Yeah.
Okay, goodbye.
I hope you at least like put them in a plastic baggie first.
No plastic baggie.
No plastic baggie.
That must have hurt.
Yeah.
Those were like the EVGA ones too.
And they're like kind of, they're pretty jutty.
Enkoi says, the jerky can get spicy.
Here's a beer on me.
Joke's on you.
I keep the $5.
He has to pay for his own beer.
And also it really wasn't that bad.
I remember it being a lot worse.
Really?
Yeah.
I think I sweat a bit, but like.
Hello world from Hong Kong says Ken.
And I think we're pretty much good.
Nice.
All right.
So thanks guys for tuning into the WAN Show.
We will see you again next week.
Same bad time, same bad channel.
Maybe different bad hosts.
We'll see.
I don't know.
How do you think Alex did?
Let me know in the comments below or in the chat.
One of these?
If you think he was terrible.
You can also let me know if you thought he was good.
Or just Linus's puns were really bad the whole time.
No.
Thumbs down for that.
No puns were.
Oh, so we talked to YouTube's, I forget.
I forget who they were,
but thumbs down is apparently worse
for your algorithmic relevance than we thought.
Oh.
So we might stop encouraging people
to thumbs down the video.
Okay, so.
We'll see how that goes.
Comment.
I thought that Linus was horrible.