All right, and we're live you guys know what it was this is hilarious
It was a power cycling or not power. So yeah power cycling the microphone. So
Funnily enough. Well, not even power cycling the microphone
cycling the phantom power switch on our mixer for the microphone because actually powering down the entire mixer and then
Powering it back up completely didn't address the issue
But pressing the button and then pressing it again did for whatever freaking reason
I can't even begin to fathom this stuff. It's too complicated for me because I'm stupid don't know anything
anyway
I'm sure there's an explanation for this. That was so depressing. I know I was stupid don't know anything
But these people are all listening to me. What does that make them?
Wow, what's with okay
Pressing everything's depressing. I know I'm whenever the show is late. I'm depressed. I was talking to him about this offline
I'm like, I know you guys hate it when the show is late
we hate it when the show is late too because like I feel personally responsible for all the
Hours of time that are being wasted while people sit and wait for us and that's terrible and we went as far as to buy
Completely new sets of all of our equipment so that everything the camera the lens the microphone the boom pole the mixer the
Compressor the computer everything stays in this room and we don't touch it other than to livestream
That's how far we went to make sure that our show was on time for you guys
And yet here we are and we still have these issues and I'm really really sorry, but enough of that
Let's get this thing started. Shall we the big news this week is obviously
Facebook's acquisition of
oculus
Whoa
Oh, this is hilarious
Twitch is like confirmed when show acquired by Facebook. No
Not so much our setup would have probably worked if we had that much money and you know what?
That's one of the positive things to take away from this whole thing
We're gonna get into it in more depth later
But we do have some other initial topics here that I just want to sort of
Throw at you guys that we will be talking about. So Nvidia had a call earlier this week
Where they talked about their plans with respect to DirectX 12 and how that figures into their overall strategy
You know, what's funny is I don't think Nvidia ever actually outright said we are not going to support mantle no matter how open it
is in fact, I think they still haven't said that but
No
They also pushed a big update for Nvidia shield this week
Which is a huge deal allows things like off strike off-site game stream
So we'll get into more details on that later but like
Good luck scrolling through the document. Yeah, four or five pages of our document are all oculus this week
So it's gonna be kind of a big deal Nvidia also launched the Titan Z
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Let's just do something before like the train wreck really the let's do one top
I don't even think so. You don't even think so. You want to get okay, let's do this. I honestly just
okay, so I
the role of Linus over the next
45 minutes or so will be played by
I'm gonna go get Jeff. So you go ahead and get started you have input on this
Do I well talk to me a little bit Jeff has input too. Okay, and I'm not letting you make Jeff's voice not heard
I did murder him earlier
Literally, okay. Well as all of you know at this point, I'm sure and if you don't how
What I know
So oculus was acquired by Facebook for four hundred million dollars cash
And what equated to a total with that cash of two billion dollars in cash and stock auctions
So they got two billion dollars kind of because a lot of its Facebook stock
Which went down a lot recently resulting in about a negative one hundred and twelve million dollar change on that deal
Although everyone suspects that Facebook stock is just gonna bounce back
So it probably actually won't matter in the end and they're not exactly selling all this stock immediately
Anyways, because they're probably gonna have to sell it over time and then blah blah blah blah
So there's tons of speculation around that. So whatever it was two billion dollar deal
We'll figure out how much that equates to in the end and I'm sure by that time. No one really really care
Anyways, there's a bunch of negative and positive
Angles you can take on this I'm gonna go through the negative ones first
At least these are angles that I've seen people take already there's obviously some that'll pop up later on that
We haven't talked about yet
But the negative angles the main ones I've seen is people on the internet don't trust acquisitions
Generally, whenever there's an acquisition people on the internet just hate it
Alright moving on they said they weren't interested in being acquired before there's actually quite a few quotes of them saying
Oh, we won't have to be acquired by some big company and that's a good thing blah blah blah blah blah
And now they're acquired by a huge company. So that's
Interesting, I guess moving on being acquired due to Kickstarter success feels like betrayal
Not actually echoed this by saying that he didn't donate
$10,000 just as a seed fund so that they could be acquired by a huge company
That's not an exact quote, but it's something along those lines. We'll get it more into that later
the Internet kind of as a
Glommed whole obviously not the entire thing, but just generally the voice of the internet dislikes Facebook. So this
The vocal the vocal minority because if you look at you look at Facebook's user base, it's you obviously the whole internet. Yeah
What a lot of people see as the internet the popular opinion voice of the internet folk
Yeah, not necessarily the action but the voice of the internet. Yeah
Facebook is deemed as creepy by people like notch again. We'll get into notches comments on this later
People wanted oculus to stick with its homebrew roots and signing up with Facebook is not exactly sticking with homebrew roots
Why didn't some other company buy them and there's been a whole bunch of things like like valve and all these other things which may or?
May not make any sense at all, but we'll get into that later again
Really?
It's worth. What's app is worth ten times as much as oculus almost
we'll get into that later and all the comments of oh my god Farmville 3d and
Facebook pop-ups all over your face and all that kind of stuff
Again, we'll get into that later. Now. There's the positive angles that I've seen a lot of people take
It will drive some
New immersive experiences that are gonna be very deep you're gonna be able to go and hopefully travel different places experience different things
Shop online virtually hopefully be able to see sizing and stuff like that because your avatar will be the right size blah blah blah blah
Tons of new experiences that you weren't expecting before whether or not you think that's a good thing. This is a positive angle
The increased funding is allowing them to hire more talents
Like Michael a brash which we'll talk about later. That's amazing. Actually, that's incredibly awesome
They were already being controlled by investors is another big one
Actually pretty deeply rooted one that we're gonna get into later that I have a ton of theories about and some really interesting quotes
That we've seen over the past month or two, which really hint to this, but we'll talk about that later again
They didn't get purchased by another gaming hardware company, that would have been a disaster. Yeah in my mind
I mean if they've been bought by I've actually seen people suggest that Sony or Microsoft would have been a better out terrible
That would have been disastrous. I mean you'll look at how
closed
Xbox and PlayStation are as ecosystems and even even like the oculus community
Which is generally right now makers hackers hard cores all that kind of stuff have been talking
Like there's the there's there's the Tuscany demo you can go to a small version of Tuscany and enjoy that environment something
I've talked about on the stream before was how I hoped that someone would go and
Recreate something like Rome and make it so that someone even if they're in an old folks home could travel the world and experience these
Things this is very cool
And you don't want to get locked into a gaming hardware niche and have none of that ever be possible
Right now oculus is open. Of course gaming is gonna drive it, but hopefully it opens up. So again, these are all positive angles
They can now afford custom hardware
They've been scraping off what they can kind of manage to get from the mobile market like mobile phones
And now they'll actually be able to make hardware that is designed and built and manufactured
For the rift instead of like something that was made for something else and they're just kind of hacking it and forcing it in there
And making it work because I mean then this is something that was sort of the whole negative thing
Where the the makers and hackers don't really feel that great about oculus not staying true to the homebrew roots
But those guys also want a fantastic VR experience, okay, and
Purpose-made hardware is gonna be a big way to get there. Yeah. All right, so
One more thing. Oh crap. Where did it go? I
Can't remember where it is doesn't matter. I'll get into it later
so how I designed this document and how I think we're gonna go through this is actually like kind of the progression of thought of
Kind of a lot of people and how people found out different news and part of maybe the reason why it started off as a massive
Explosion not that it isn't still a massive explosion
You can make your own decision on whether or not it's positive or negative and we'll get into that kind of stuff later
But we're just gonna go through how things happen and why things happen and the reason we're gonna do that
I mean, I've seen a few comments in twitch chat from people saying oh, I'm not that interested in oculus
Okay, two things number one. Yes, you are. You just don't know it yet and
Number two oculus is well basically the same as number one oculus and VR in general is extremely important
And this is a turning point in not just gaming and not just oculus
But in VR and in what that's going to mean for the future
So that's why we are dedicating almost an entire show to it
You guys can stay tuned in and this is going to be a really great show Luke in particular has worked
Extremely hard on making sure that we're bringing you guys some really good coverage of what happened this week
So you can stay tuned in and you can enjoy that or if you don't think this is important legitimately
Don't think this is important
Then I mean you can probably tune back in in about 45 minutes or an hour and we'll get into some of the Nvidia stuff
And some of the other stuff this week, but this is such a big deal
Right now and in the future another thing that I want to bring up the thing
I forgot to bring up on the positive angles thing, which is actually not on the dock
Which is probably why you started talking is
Even if you are done with oculus, it doesn't matter
VR is now going to happen because there's been this big of an investment other investment firms are going to look into other companies and
Start pouring a lot more money into VR because Facebook is huge and they are a competitor a natural competitor of many things
So VR is now going to happen
There's a lot of people been going like oh oculus is dead now whether or not they're dead doesn't matter even if they're the sacrificial lamb
It's going to happen now VR is
We made it when one company dives in and invests a couple billion then everyone else kind of goes. Oh this matters
Things it's important
so all of a sudden VR companies are gonna be acquired by big guys and they're gonna get investment funding and
All the funding and it's going to happen and it's gonna be really great
Whether it's the kind of great we envisioned or not
Whether or not you think oculus is now
The sacrificial lamb that's going to die or if you think they're just gonna be the biggest thing on the planet doesn't matter
It's happening which is which is good thing. So it started off with the posts by
Mark Zuckerberg and Palmer lucky on
Palmer posting on reddit and on the blog for oculus and mark posting on Facebook
Can you um, can you make sure that okay?
I'm gonna try and keep up with you and post links and stuff since I won't have a whole ton to say
Start it should be fairly easy. It's good starting off fairly slow, especially because I'm mainly going over the future of VR
Okay, so I'm gonna stay there for a while and then it might get a little bit
So I'm gonna go ahead and drop this in there
Yeah, so I'm gonna start off with some very notable things that were said in Palmer's post on reddit
He said we've reached we've received orders of over
75,000 development kits from game developers content creators and artists around the world
There's and I'm gonna comment on each thing that I've read in here and then go into other comments later on one big thing that
People were attacking him over on this was a lot of people that went into this aren't game developers content creators and artists
I'm not a game developer content creator or an artist. Of course. You're not particularly talented at all. Are you know?
I think you're great. That was so me
Anyways, I dabbled in making some stuff in unity and it was fun to be completely honest
But I didn't make anything that was worth releasing. I'm not a I'm not a game designer
I'm I've dabbled in programming, but I'm not that amazing
And I know everyone I know that's bought one isn't any of these things they're interested in the company
So people were worried that he was abusing that number to try and get investment feeds and be were canceling because they're trying to vote
With their wallet, whatever. We'll get more into that later
Another quote from there was when Facebook first approached us about partnering
I was skeptical a lot of people were like you probably should have kept that angle
We'll get more into that later and why he ended up doing it all that kind of stuff
Facebook is run in an open way that is aligned with oculus is culture
A lot of people respond and saying how is Facebook aligned in an with oculus at all in an open way
But there is reasons for and against that they have pushed for a lot of open development people are saying
Oh, no, they haven't they actually have they've invested quite a bit of money in open development
Some of their stuff is proprietary and closed but not everything and they do push for some open stuff
Talked a lot about even things like the architecture that they use to make Facebook so responsive with such as with the heavy load that it
has
They are pushing
Connectivity forward in some ways and I don't want this to feel like I'm some kind of a Facebook fanboy. I'm not
but I
Didn't even have it until I needed to be able to admin that my sectors Facebook page. I know right so like yeah
I don't know. Yeah, it's just that's just a fact. They haven't been completely against openness
No matter how you want to see it. It means oculus rift with
oculus rift with fewer
Oculus which will be able to come out with fewer compromises and faster, which is that's just probably true. There's tons more money
Yeah, they can pay more for manufacturing. They can push things through faster. Yeah
Oculus is somewhat unpredictable future just became crystal clear virtual reality
Is coming and it's going to change the way we view and play games forever
That was slightly edited, but it's essentially what we're talking about earlier VR is happening now
Yeah, no matter what another quote from him. I'm obsessed with VR
I spend every day pushing further and every night dreaming of where we're going even in my wildest dreams
I never imagined we'd come so far so fast. I'm a proud member of this community
Thank you all for caring virtual reality and gaming forward and trusting us to deliver. We won't let you down
So he said all that but the reality of it is is he can't say anything else
so
We're not sure what to read into this. I think
At the at the end of the day if you trust Palmer and you trust the oculus team
it's not like they can just bail and start again because
Oculus the company owns so many patents now that they in all likelihood
Wouldn't even be able to start up again and go back up against their old kind
I'm sure there's some type of non-compete agreements and stuff too, but there's there there is things in here people were wondering like
Oh are those notch actually specifically I'm gonna jump down right here
So let's clarify who notches minecraft minecraft creator notch
Actually replied on this exact reddit thread saying you got my respect before I met you you kept it when I met you
Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. I'm gonna jump forward a little bit
I just hope you got your fair share VR will live on
Thank you for being part of making it finally happen, but I really wish this hadn't happened
The main part I was trying to say is I understand you're probably under a big NDA and stuck in golden handcuffs
which which is interesting, but you also have to realize that you've got Palmer and
Which is interesting a lot of people started to trust Palmer, but you have John Carmack mm-hmm John Carmack
Isn't just gonna shut up and code
Because someone's slapping dollar bills at him. Yeah, that's not gonna happen
So if if this does start getting forced in a bad direction if I were you guys paying attention
I would listen to John Carmack honestly personally
I'm gonna listen to Palmer too, but he is a lot newer to the scene than John freaking Carmack
John Carmack says whatever he wants as far as I can tell yeah as far as anyone can probably tell I'm gonna go ahead and
So if you if you really want to get some feedback
Carmack actually posted on Twitter about three days ago. He basically said look the volume of tweets right now is way too high
I can't even begin to look at it all
But if you hit me in a few days or like once the poop storm starts to die down a little bit
Then he does want to engage he does want to engage
He does want to talk about it
When I initially saw that it was radio silence from Carmack for the first couple of days after the acquisition that set off some warning
Bells, maybe he's unhappy
But it looks now as if he was just weathering the storm. He actually he said I'm currently coding
He was essentially being like guys. I'm working well. That's a blog post from
From when that's from yesterday or the day before right? Yeah, I'm currently coding yeah, that was pretty early on yeah
so he's like yeah, I'm still coding just the same as I was this time last week, so
For all intents and purposes nothing has changed and that was echoing the idea that the Facebook acquisition hadn't changed anything anyways moving on
People were asking when I saw notch in the comments
They were asking him a whole bunch of questions
And they were basically saying please tell me it's going to be alright notch replied with a lot of companies are working on VR now
This means competition this means better VR and higher chances of a mass-market acceptance
This means even better VR. It's going to be all right very small italicized print
Maybe so that echoes again the thing that we said earlier where no matter what you think about this
It's pushing VR forward whether or not oculus is what carries the torch in the end. They're carrying it right now
People are saying to Palmer you were the chosen one you were supposed to just destroy the Sith not showing them bring balance to the
Voice not leave it in darkness
I just had to keep that in there because it was kind of funny now echoing one of the most highly upvoted
Posts on the thread these were a bunch of the concerns Facebook is known for its intrusive tracking of users
Facebook is undoubtedly a massive company
it is beginning to lose a lot of its teenage population due to more widespread use of the older population and
The fact that oculus has been acquired by Facebook Palmer has repeatedly said
partners partnership or partnering
But they were acquired so he was worried about that terminology where it might just be kind of a haze and Palmer thinks they're partnering
But really Facebook is the one on top so those were the the main things
Spoken there about the Facebook is known for intrusive tracking of users
as far as I can tell if the if the lead people of oculus still have anything to say about it that platform is gonna
Be really open and you'll probably know about it, so that might be a bad thing
But again oculus is carrying the torch now, so if later on down the line you see an update like the update we saw on
Mobile that says like Facebook is now reading all of your text messages despite having nothing to do with those
You should know about it, so just pay a lot of attention
And I mean Facebook's whole thing I don't see anything in your notes here
But Facebook's whole thing has been where we want oculus to operate pretty basically independently
Just like what we did with Instagram and whatsapp
But my counter to that is I mean you look at Mark Zuckerberg's blog post where he talks about
the future of connectivity and how exciting these
Experiences we can deliver you know whether it's travel or whether it's having a face-to-face meeting with someone or whatever it happens to be
when he talks about that we're talking like a 10-year 20-year outlook and
They acquired Instagram like two years ago, and they acquired whatsapp like
So this is not a track record of
Acquiring companies and letting them operate independently. This is this is in the last like
Little tiny amount of time like since Linus Media Group was formed
They haven't really disrupted things with their two big acquisitions
So the fact that all this is being said now
I mean you look at how quickly
Politicians can turn around and have a campaign and then go back on that and still get elected four years later and the collective memory
Of people is so short that even if Facebook does
Exert complete control over oculus in let's let's use four years as an example because that's the elected term in the US and Canada for
Politicians so even if Facebook does in four years exert complete control and four years after that
Plaster the whole platform with ads and use it as a way to collect data on where you go what you look at and
All of this great stuff. Probably no one will ever even remember this happened and up to you except for me
Now we get into the poop storm. Yeah, that was the start of it. And that was people
Honestly in that reddit thread I found it to be more calm than elsewhere
Which is kind of confusing things started popping up people started digging up things on both Facebook and oculus
First thing yeah, there's a really bad first thing that comes to mind is a very old screenshot from a conversation that
Mark Zuckerberg had when he said yeah, so if you ever need any info on it about anyone at Harvard just ask
I have over 4,000 emails pictures addresses SNS
Etc. And then the guy said how do you manage that? He said people just submitted it. I don't know why they trust me dumb
Well, yeah, we don't say that word on this show, but you guys can read it's right there
Yeah
So like that's not cool
Especially because of speculation that VR devices are gonna get things like eye tracking the fact that this thing is strapped to your freaking face
So if you're looking at a certain product or something like that, they know it's not just like in another tab
You are looking at it with your face and I'm not blaming AMD for this, but they're true audio technology
So the programmable DSP that like it's it's like a really powerful sound processor
They showed off some really cool demos with respect to voice recognition
so all of a sudden now hold on a second because we went from you know,
not being too worried about people really tapping into anything that we're doing to all of a sudden is
face-to-face
conversation gonna be the only way to actually not have anyone listening and are we gonna allow ourselves to be convinced that
aside from phone taps and
messaging taps
when you have a VR
conversation with someone like I mean you look at the kinds of things the kinds of experiences that VR could bring us do you want
Facebook listening to everything you say when you have a family reunion and everyone's VR in because what a cool experience
But they'll be able to recognize everything you say and use that information Facebook wants to own your information
and that is what this is all about fundamentally and
Okay
Zuckerberg said a really stupid thing in a text message and it's old and it's old and he was
stupid and he was young and I'm sure he would be the first to admit that that was a super stupid thing to say and
He would take it back a hundred percent today if he could and what happened, but it did happen
So you guys can read into that whatever you want
But I do believe that while people don't change much
I think they can grow up and I hope that that was just a young college guy having a
And I think it was only tied into Harvard and like a lot of things have changed since then
Yeah
another thing that people are worried about with the Facebook thing is again all of your data blah blah blah blah and I know in one
Of Carmack's tweets. He said it like if you guys blog or whatever about this
I'm gonna pay attention so and he said like things that you're worried about and ways that can be fixed and stuff like that
So if you do happen to be listening, that's really cool. Hi also
Like creepiness factor try to control the creepiness factor
Make sure it's open make sure people know what's going on because I think that's honestly the biggest reason why people are scared of Facebook
Is just the fact that Facebook can be really creepy. So that's probably the biggest thing I'd say
the camera that is now on
Oculus people we don't really have it yet
So we don't know if it's actually taking images or if it's only scanning for our LEDs
But who knows what will happen in the future? Maybe there's an actual camera fixed on that thing
That you know, what's scary is I would opt in for the camera model for sure. I already yeah. Yeah, like okay
Even if even if it was an option if someone was like look we can put an ir tracker one only and you can put
IR, you know kits around in your room or whatever else or we can give you one with a camera get like a skeleton frame
Yeah, no, I know and like that
I would take the camera one even if I knew that they were looking at what I was looking at because of it's gonna be
Such a great experience exactly. So a lot of people are going to do that
So, like I said, what we're worried about is the creepiness factor. So just try and keep that under control
Alright, what's our next one? Our next one is
Oculus is not connected to Facebook. This is just kind of funny
It's just kind of won't spend much time on this one taking a break from the hate
So we're during the and now actually which is kind of hilarious. This was taken earlier today. It's not like a yeah
I did. Yeah, I've seen people screenshot that that's my screenshot though
Cuz I couldn't find it at the time but oculus had not connected with Facebook during the campaign and they still haven't on Kickstarter at
Least which is just kind of hilarious. John Carmack may or may not even have a Facebook account
There's a Facebook account for John Carmack up right now
But it looks like super public figure Facebook account and like the title is godfather of moving 3d images
Like that. I doubt that he put that in there. Yeah doesn't seem like his style
No, and it's not like verified or he did tweet that he'll probably have to get a Facebook account now
But I don't think he's rushing to do it. He's probably busy coding because he's kind of awesome at that
Anyways, moving on to the thing that had me super pissed off at the beginning
The reason why I thought the entire thing was just ruined and why I basically
Cried over Twitter for a little while and the reason that a lot of people felt this way this New York Times post was
Brutal and honestly where I think most of the hate came from
Just jumping into saying what's exactly in the article according to a person a person involved with the deal
Who was not allowed to speak publicly because he was not authorized by either company Facebook
Eventually plans to redesign the oculus hardware and rebrand it with a Facebook interface and logo
Oh even make any sense. No, really like what does that even mean?
But that's why that's one of the reasons why I was so mad right because the whole deal didn't make sense on the surface
social network acquiring VR gaming company and then it's like rebranding and
Yeah, what what is this exactly since then?
Facebook has made their intentions much more clear and this was was
Wholeheartedly denied it was hammered down
But it sat there for a while
And let a lot of people stew and it was it was scary and I love how it's like a small part of that article
Too and it's not like a like a you know
They pop it out and make it big and make a different color and all that kind of stuff like the verge does
They didn't do that with it or anything like it's kind of at the bottom
But it's like the most important thing in the entire article. But yeah, that's been shut down
Pretty quick so no longer worry about that
And then other things start coming out like the people are saying it's an internal call
I've heard a lot of news that it actually wasn't an internal call
It was quite public but I have no idea which is true either way. I don't care
It was as far as I know an investor call for oculus and Facebook and there's some QA and Mark Zuckerberg's on the call
And it's fairly interesting but almost all the way through the call
There's the part that most people actually listen to I ended up listening to the whole thing
But this is the part that people really cared about. It's really long. I don't know if I'll actually read through the whole thing
How about I read it I'm fast sure go. All right
So he says so this is from Zuckerberg. He says in terms of our business model. We're clearly not a hardware company
We're not gonna try and make a profit off the device itself in the long term and we see this as a software and services thing
Where if we can make it so that this becomes a network so that people can be communicating and buying things like virtual goods
There might be adverts in the world, but we need to figure that out down the line
So that's probably where the business will come from
But for the foreseeable future the main goal that we have is building out the product
using the different levers that Facebook has to make the technology affordable and to make it ubiquitous and
To use the different technologies that Facebook has developed to bring it to market as soon as possible
So there you go. That's the plan whether that makes it any less scary to you or not for me. It doesn't at all
Clearly the plan is investing in the platform and making it successful
So that's the priority and they will figure out the monetization later
so it's the whole internet company startup model except this time being applied to an actual piece of hardware because that piece of
Hardware is so directly tied into the software experience. They can't exist without each other now this
Yeah, this scared and didn't scare a lot of people for multiple reasons
It's good people because it was an internal call the second that came out everyone freaked out. Yeah, whether or not that's even true
I don't know
People only heard the advertisement part and freaked out one thing you have to say that this is an investment call
This isn't this wasn't a this wasn't the public post on Facebook. This was an investment call
He Mark Zuckerberg can't just be like well, yeah, I want to play VR games
So I bought this company so that I can like make this thing even better
I mean, I don't think that's it. Although it'd be super cool if he was like
Facebook posts, it's the most like oh my god. I love this thing post that I've seen of anyone ever so
That's a CEO
There may even be a little bit of that and we can hope for that because if he's truly passionate about the technology
then I
Kind of go, okay
Maybe you'll be okay
but then probably not because in the future he'll still have to bend to the
The needs of his investors and monetize the heck out of the platform
But then by the time that happens you're talking years in the future. Yeah, something else will be there as well
Yep, it like doesn't matter there will be a competitor for rift
So we have to hope that they build up the technology drive everything further make this stuff
Make it profitable for developers to yell up for VR
Definitely and then hopefully competitors will jump in the fray because even if you're still a huge fan of oculus
It doesn't matter competitors are good. Competition is always good. It drives innovation competition is good. So anyways, okay
Some other weird stuff
So this is this is actually largely stuff that I haven't seen around a ton
But things that I've noticed over the last little while so starting off with oculus dropping out of the immersive technology Alliance
kind of
Awkwardly dropping out of the immersive technology Alliance. So super awkward
Yeah, the immersive technology Alliance is a nonprofit games collective that is focused on bringing stuff like augmented reality virtual reality 3d and Chester
Control technology to the masses. It's it's an alliance. There's tons of these things. There's the DVD Alliance
There's tons of them
Basically any standard whether it's like USB or
DisplayPort is gonna have some kind of group of individuals or companies or investors or entities that
Manage the standard and drive it forward because if they don't things get kind of insane usually so it's
Like the high-profile virtual reality company oculus rift recently dropped over the this alliance
But oculus claims they were never a part of it yet the ITA guys are saying they were a big part of it and
Actually helped them move from what they're previously known as which was s3
DGA to the newly named ITA and oculus actually had them like remove their branding from their website and everything and basically just dropped the
Ball moved back as far as they possibly could and say I was never playing which is interesting and this is not the newest news
This was from a little while ago, I think I actually shortly mentioned it on the show
But because I didn't really know what it meant at the time. Yeah, I didn't make it a huge topic
It's it's just weird and the timings a little bit off. So they basically the
ITA is saying that they got their first official notification that oculus was leaving the Alliance late in the evening on March 15th
Yeah
So this was like pretty pretty close to when the deal happened and it's just this article is
Super super weird. It's on polygon calm
I don't think there's not a lot of comments on it and no one's commented on it since like the 18th, right?
So it's yeah, it's I don't know
I just find that's interesting because they got acquired by Facebook and then they locked off from the alliance
That's trying to make some sort of standard. So that's interesting then if you click on the thread
So this is where everything kind of started. This is
MTB
MTBS 3d.com I always screw that up
Which is where the Palmer was a huge member of this forum and this is where the the epic
Like massive three four thousand two hundred and thirty five post thread started and this is yeah
This is just a big deal and if you control F for
Where is it sell out to a large company?
You can see a big thread where he answers a whole bunch of questions and right in the middle of it he says
Oculus is going forward in a big way
but in a way that still lets me focus on the
community first and not sell out to a large company a lot of people were very upset about this comment because
Community first not sell out to a large company
So now people are saying are you no longer community first because you sold out to a large company
The problems with this are if you jump into the next one the big 75 million dollar investment that happened
Not way too long ago the guy that did that works for Facebook actually if you check out the board of directors
Which I also have linked here
This is where I was telling you you're gonna get into rapid fire
I got this if you check out the board of directors, you can see him there Mark Andresen, I believe
You can see him on the board of directors for Facebook and he was a huge
Investment pool right there and then quotes that have been fairly recently coming out of Palmer saying
Oculus has already sold out by raising venture capital money because they had these
Investors that were able to control them a little bit and Palmer said that a lot they already sold out and then they were acquired
By Facebook the same company that their big 75 million dollar investor is on the board of directors for which is really interesting
And it also even seems like he was trying to tell us
Valve knew something on February 28th. This is a quote from an article where a guy from valve went to visit oculus
He said the demos stuck me in a simple room whose walls were textured with financial data for Facebook from some website an odd
Choice. Yeah
There's a little red cube bouncing on the room and the desire to avoid it was extremely strong a dodgeball
Laser field game immediately popped into my mind
But as I mentioned before a tether really hurts this type of idea
The part that I really paid attention to when reading this and this was actually brought to my attention
I didn't notice this was the the financial data for Facebook from some website
Just being plastered all over the walls on February 28th
It's interesting in
Combination with him saying that they were already sold out by raising venture capital and then having that just kind of randomly leaked out there
It's really weird to just do that anyways
These are all the like random crap that I found over the last little while
Another tell he's a little into this. Hey, I didn't really sleep much this week
Another thing that happened was if you go to the corporate reddit attack or framing
Um was was weird ditto posts all over technology and gaming this was again
This is not a screenshot by me. This is just something I found that someone else brought up
but you don't really know what angle to go with this because
Okay, just so you in case you guys so basically
Defending the deal like right after it happened there were these what appear to be shill accounts popping up on reddit posting
Like copy paste responses or very similar responses to people hating on it
Okay, kind of all over the place and a lot of times they're very new accounts and stuff like that
but it's that doesn't really make a lot of sense for the direction the angle that
Anyone at oculus was taking or anyone at Facebook was taking to be completely honest
So we don't know whether or not this was it could have just as easily been someone trying to frame them destroy
Any sort of positive sentiment that might have existed by
Pretending to be someone trying to defend what was going on in the most obvious horrible guerrilla marketing way. So this is
Interesting. We don't know what side of the field that even plays on or did a whole bunch of people just happen to decide
To copy and paste each other for karma that might have been it
so who knows
Not sure looks fishy don't know which side of it. It's on it's just something interesting that we noticed
Then things started popping up
This is again going through somewhat of a timeline then started things things started popping up of basically every Kickstarter I've ever heard of
Especially the ones that I've been a part of because I've now seen updates by a few of them being like whoa
Whoa, we're not selling to Facebook even like some super random stuff that has nothing to do with anything being like whoa guys
It's cool. So people are
Begging Chris Roberts not to sell the Facebook, which I found hilarious
That was the main one I wanted to show because we're we're fairly into star citizen
So I wanted to bring that one up, but there's been stuff for tons of different kickstarters. Not just star citizen
There's even I forgot to put it in here. There's even a kickstarter running right now that has a stretch goal of two billion dollars
That's like we'll try to buy oculus from Facebook, which is hilarious
Someone was joking saying that there should be a two billion dollar stretch goal for CIG saying that
It's preventing Facebook from buying CIG with a lot of people were joking
But there was actually some legitimate fear in there and it has started an interesting question on
kickstarters for technology
so a lot of people feel like they're heavily invested in something when they kickstart it and feel like they should
They're kind of a part of the company, but you're not yeah, you're donating and then you're getting something back for donating
but you're not getting a part of the company back for donating and
While it feels like that and the kick the the culture around kickstarter is really heavily around like community
Community and you're a part of this and this is this is you you made this happen blah blah blah blah blah
Really? You might have made it happen, but it doesn't matter. You're not actually a part of that company
You're not invested and if you look at the Kickstarter, they promised you a dev kit one
If you a dev kit one or whatever other tier you were on whatever tier you were on so
Any obligation that oculus had to you is over and no matter how depressing that seems because honestly when I kickstart a lot of
Things I'm kickstarting it not necessarily just because I'm what I get back from what I'm donating at a lot of games, especially
A month or two after the release for a lot of these indie games are way cheaper than my kickstarter price
I'm kickstarting them because I want it to happen
Yeah
but that doesn't mean that I have an investment in the company so then I mean maybe you're maybe you're happy about the Facebook thing because
Now it's gonna happen even more and better supposedly. I don't think there's too many of those. I don't think but that's that's possible
Another fairly noteworthy rant to bring up. This was a get one that was fairly early on this was on reddit again
A lot of this happened on reddit
People just pointing out that holy crap. John Carmack is a Facebook employee now
Go figure hey, it's it's just weird to think about like I don't even know what to say like hurts my brain
It's just like wait what but anyways
But he's not he is but he's not like he's working for oculus. I don't know whatever
People posting Facebook is an advertising company. They sell data so that they're paying customers. The advertisers can target their marketing
And it wouldn't surprise it wouldn't surprise anyone if in a couple of years
You won't be able to use it without supplying data to Facebook wittingly or not eye tracking interest
This part is me eye tracking what you're interested in and it's really easy to know if you're paying attention or looking at something
When it strapped to your face, can you imagine how?
Effectively you can sell ad impressions or like how much more effectively
graphic designers could design their ads to make it so that you look at them and all the kind of
Subconscious crap that goes on that people don't even think about I mean when you go shopping at a store you ever notice
There's like a double door. You're like every storm. That is a psychological thing
There's it there's this there's this buffer zone between it's called the decompression zone not shopping and
Shopping that they have created very intentionally, you know, what's funny is when I was a kid
I always thought that it was like to keep the heat in or out. I
Think that's what they say. Yeah, but it's it's known to be decompression something
There's other things to a lot of the tile in the middle of malls is shiny
Then the tile in stores is not shiny where it's carpet or something like that it often it's really faster and settle
Yeah, it's usually shiny in the middle of them all and not super shiny in a store
It's very bland smells
That they'll run through stores
I mean all these things are designed to make you buy without even knowing why you're doing it and
eye
Tracking it's gonna be a real good way to make that even more effective
um, that being said it is there's there's a bunch of posts and
Palmer's personal reddit account that talks about this type of stuff and we'll be getting into that later again
We're going through in fairly linear lines
They know we're getting into that later. It's okay
So the community is mad about the change of pace
this was a fairly interesting one because messages that came from Carmack the CTO of oculus VR and a
Very important dude saying stuff like for a certain segment of the population the hacker slash maker crowd
This is going to be awesomely cool to work with that was the message before the message now is this being from
Brendan I or I don't actually know how to pronounce his last name
That's really embarrassing the CEO of oculus VR saying we believe virtual reality will be heavily defined by social
Experiences that connect people in magical new ways. That's very different
Than the heartbeat kind of idea that was oculus before which is like yeah hackers and makers
It's more social experience now, which is
Interesting, but then at the same time magical Thank You. Mr. Jobs. Yeah. Yeah, this is a magical device
At the same time though, this is two different people and if you talk to Carmack
He's still very gaming focused and if you talk to Palmer, he's still very gaming focused
This is just quotes that I got from a picture that someone posted on reddit
Brendan
While this this is a specific quote again
This is this is grabbing snippet quotes grabbing snippet quotes isn't always applicable if you go talk to
Brendan at if you go watch some of his videos that he's been in at
Conventions a lot of time he talks about gaming as some of them have been very recent. They're still talking about gaming
He's just talking about an idea that they haven't really expressed as much necessarily in the past
So I'm not sure how much that matters
But a lot of people were up in arms about that
Something that was also really interesting was the are you done with VR straw poll that came up which ended up being huge
I'm done with oculus VR dead to me was one of the options that had
11,000 32 votes when I last looked at it and was accounting for 50% of the votes
I I will withhold judgment for now and see how this plays out only had
9947 votes compared to the previous 11,000 or something ringing in at 45
Okay, that's yeah
The part the people saying they're okay with Facebook was only 4% which is like
Nothing but then a lot of this was
This this this straw poll was created extremely early
And I wish we could get every single person that responded on that to respond again and see how it would change
I don't necessarily think the number of people saying that Facebook is okay would necessarily increase
Because no matter how you look at that I look at this
I don't think a ton of people are super stoked about the idea of Facebook
But I think more people would probably side with the I will withhold judgment first for now
Let's see how this plays out because if you have to put your trust in anyone
Palmer Carmack and all those guys
Those
Are some people to put your trust in people have been describing Carmack as the canary in the coal mine
I don't really know any better way of actually saying that because that's
really good way if he had a problem with it, then we'd know about it and I
Guess at least we'll have a heads up when stuff's about to hit the fan because when Carmack leaves oculus
Then there's your heads up
And a brash joining like that's another person to pay attention to and follow and honestly if anyone can do it
it's these guys, so I hope they make it because I
Don't know. It's scary
Then then things start happening. I actually hold on a second. I actually created a new straw pool
So we'd love for you guys to vote on this one
I'm just gonna post it in the chat a few times here so that you guys can see it
Only click the ones that are posted by me because it's sort of a thing for people to just click make their own straw pulls
Anyway, so go ahead check that out. We'd love to hear what you guys think and
See how it compares to the original results. Okay, go ahead Luke. All right, so next we're moving into we're still in kind of negative stuff
So oculus CTO bails on GTC due to illness now if you try to go to this thread, it's not gonna work
Okay, it was pulled down by Nvidia's blog and video's blog was
Amazing it's too bad. We didn't did you like I don't have a screenshot or anything
I should have I should have thought about that
But there's a new post on a video's blog now actually where if you can find that I should have put that in here
I was rushing near the end. There's a new post saying like holy crap
He's awesome because he ended up showing up and up being a very last-minute kind of ditch effort kind of thing
They got about a hundred people there just like at the very last possible second and he ended up talking to them and apparently it
Was great. Yeah, here we go speaks at GDC
Yeah, very very different than their previous article
Which was like begs off attendance blah blah blah blah blah like super not stoked there. They're happy with him now
But again, this is this was playing into the negative feeling of the whole internet where everyone's like, oh, he's not ill
He's just trying to dodge our questions
Honestly, I don't even necessarily think that was a thing
He was very possibly ill because of how much crap has been being thrown at them
Because like they've been busy it's the yeah, I don't know I doubt any of that team has really slept much
I'm not that you'd be able to relate to becoming ill because no sleep and lots of work. Yeah
Yeah, I think people can probably remember that although I bet you Carmack's fine
Cuz as far as I can tell he just like doesn't care and it's still programming which is kind of awesome
But the rest of the team I spent especially Palmer you
Once we get to his reddit post he can oh man, I feel bad for Palmer
Anyways, moving on to notches post so notch posted on Twitter. Some people saw the retweet from me
Essentially saying that he has no intention of
Now creating a minecraft mod
Which he's planning on making an official one because he finds Facebook to be creepy
You heard our quotes earlier from when he was on the reddit thread. He's been very vocal in this
So a direct quote is I did not chip in 10 grand to seed a first investment round to build value for face for a
Facebook acquisition another quote is I definitely want to be a part of VR, but I will not work with Facebook
Their motives are too unclear and shifting and they haven't
Historically been a stable platform. There's nothing about their history that makes me trust them and that makes them very seem very creepy to me
Now before we get into those comments, I want to jump forward and to the scumbag oculus meme kickstarters edition
Which is just kind of interesting and plays into what notch was talking about
We'll talk about that in a second
and Palmer's post when Palmer bounces back at notch for posting that by saying things like he had the rift for over a year and
Hasn't even tried the unofficial minecraft mod
At least at the point of Palmer posting that which is I I'm assuming based on information from when notch visited that office before the Facebook
Acquisition and he said it's easy to cancel a project that was never even really started
Anyways, he has merit in both of those points, but
don't
I don't think a lot of comments that people have been pointing at him coming from people like Cliff Bolinski and coming from
Even Palmer himself and a whole bunch people on the internet and the guy that posted this Facebook post originally are necessarily that accurate
They're calling him childish and feeble and all this other kind of stuff
Whether or not it's because he just doesn't feel like doing the project and he wants to cancel it that doesn't seem very
True necessarily, especially when he's saying I definitely want to be a part of VR
I won't but I will not work with Facebook
He does kind of seem like he wants to be a part of VR
I'm gonna have to take what he's saying on face value seems pretty legit in the past
It does seem like he's doing on moral reasons. He doesn't like Facebook. So he's canceling the project
That doesn't make him childish just because he doesn't like something. He doesn't want to work with someone I
I don't necessarily agree with that
But then again, that's up to you to make that decision being childish might be taking it public
You could always just cancel the project and not say it's very true
And then because of something jumping on the reddit post and jumping on Twitter and making it a huge deal
Yeah, that could have been a childish action, but I don't think necessarily like that like the whole Fez to cancellation thing
Oh, yeah
Would that have been less drama if you just canceled it instead of saying I'm canceling it because you guys are so mean to me
Yeah, maybe and that's that's a very good point
I don't think the fact that he canceled it is childish. Maybe the way you went about it
You can decide whatever the heck you want about that. That's just something to throw it. So here's our new straw poll
So there's been a major shift the major shift in the in the perception here
So we had 300 votes for oculus is dead to me and a full 65%
75% actually, okay. So 76% of you are either okay or withholding judgment
Okay, so interesting a massive shift and good timing because now we get into the shift
Where
Reddit our own community Twitter a lot of these different communities the
The the voice that was most heard is now changing to stop attacking them
Let's wait and see all that kind of stuff instead of like direct and sometimes personal attacks and threats to people like which is
Dick you it's not okay
Okay, moving on. So
The hate the the hate now directed at those attacking oculus quotes from this are
To jump to personal attacks in an emotional tantrum esque way and abandon ship without actually realizing where this deal will go
That's that's a pretty good quote and true to what a lot of people did. I got extremely sad
I'm sure people saw my Twitter account
but that was mainly when I was getting stuff from the New York Times saying that they're gonna rebrand everything and
A lot of the other information basically saying oculus is dead. That was depressing
But once I found other things not nearly as sad and another quote they're saying chill and let's wait and see
let's all wait and see which I think is
Yeah, that's what I'm doing. At least I'm gonna wait and see I'm still very interested no matter what
I'm not done with VR from you know this and a lot of my friends back in high school that I forced to try it
Including my girlfriend who didn't care at all, but was a good sport about it
Back when I bought Nia my neural impulse actuator thing
But I don't care. I know it's new ways of interacting with computers
This has always been what I've cared about most and I find that's incredibly interesting
So whether or not it ends up being oculus, I'm still totally in for VR
Cliff Bolinski weighs in
this was
Interesting I
Wasn't as interested as in this as many other things but it is still fairly interesting because he
gained a lot from this whole situation
He was a really big early on investor and something that people have been attacking oculus over is why the Kickstarter people weren't allowed to
Be investors. That's like US law. That's not
Oculus wasn't like yeah. No, let's just give them DK ones instead of
Shares in the company. That's just how things work. They can't change how the United States works
So you can attack them over different things, but that's not really gonna it doesn't matter
No, but he was he's an accredited investor or whatever the heck so he's able to do this kind of stuff
And he brings up some interesting points and some stuff. That's scary and I hope never happens
so he brings up the fact that Facebook has a multi-million user reach and as people notice with
Mark's promoted post he probably didn't pay for that
He can probably push
advertisements in a lot of different places getting a lot of different eyes on board without paying for it and
quotes coming in earlier on where we were talking about how Facebook is losing a certain audience and
Saying like oh, but that's the audience that's going for oculus rift right now
Yeah, okay. So they already have those people. They don't necessarily need those people from Facebook what they can
Gain from Facebook is the
Multi-billion user reach of people that don't know what the heck oculus is. Yeah
They can push that out. They can talk to all those people. So that's that's good
He goes on to talk about what's up and Instagram like we've talked earlier though
But I think we share the same opinion which is like dude
We haven't had enough time to see that happen at all at all like come on
Especially what's out and are you kidding and we haven't seen Instagram falter in any way
And so we haven't seen how Facebook will react when one of their acquisitions is all of a sudden not looking like a great
acquisition anymore do they just
Slash the entire workforce do they like we've seen Google do a lot of people were saying why didn't someone like Google buy it?
I don't have been worse that would have been
Scary that would have been really scary because if it doesn't do well for a second Google's just be like lol
Okay, bye and then they own all the patents and they'll do something completely different with it and that might be really cool, too
Yeah
but
Google doesn't seem to necessarily care too much about what they acquire and Google operates on their own
In their own dimension sometimes like they're and it's both great and terrible sometimes
but they're they're thinking about things 10 years from now 20 years from now and
They're because they just don't really care about making money on it today
They might just let it sit there behind closed doors in development for another 10 years. Whereas with Facebook
They've been pretty clear. Hey, no, the Oculus rift for gamers is still coming
You're gonna get the iterative the iterative hardware that comes on the way to us building our grand vision of it
Google doesn't always do that. Yeah, you could build a self-driving car and just put it on the road
Yeah, and it was amazing and then they're like, okay cool
Since when have we heard anything about that? It's like obviously safe
They've totally proved that it's safe and then they're like, all right in the garage
And that could have easily happened with this to you. We could have seen DK to come out or not
It's Google who the heck knows and then CV one consumer version one could have come out in like 2020 or something. It's like lol
20 K KP screen or whatever we have by that point. Who knows
One thing that he brings up the
The like oh now we're just gonna get Farmville VR and stuff like that
Like I touched on that earlier when I was talking about the negative points
I said, oh my god Farmville 3d and Facebook pop-up updates everywhere. I
Really don't think so. No, I think it'll be more subtle
I mean, I think what they'll do is they'll offer game developers options
like this is the way this is the way I could see it working maybe not step one and not step three where it's like
Family reunions are all done through oculus VR but like a step one and a half or two
Where think about in-game advertising the way it's done now where there might be like all of the crap
I forget what game did this was it battlefield 4 where they had like
Coke vending machines and you couldn't knock them. Oh, they were like the one thing in the game
That wasn't destructible and like I don't remember. I don't remember what game it was, but it was like vending machines
That's so in-game product placement
Facebook could offer
oculus developers so developers for VR games the option to build
Advertising into their game as a way to monetize their platform
They could throw seed funding at them if they're willing to deliver that and this could be a way for us to if we're willing
To put up with a little bit more advertising, which I think people have proven time and time again that they'll protest about it
But much like taxes, they'll just suck it up every time
And they won't vote with their wallets until maybe we get to a breaking point and but we haven't seen it yet
I'm interested to see what adblock does with this
I'm interested to see what adblock does about this, but that could be a great way for us to get more VR content
Yeah, at least for me and support developers. Yeah for maybe free to play that isn't necessarily
Microtransaction driven I'm gonna actually tangent for just a moment here and talk about bravely default
Yeah the game that I just recently started playing would I have rather seen?
Some like well integrated product placement in bravely default versus what they've done with sleep points
So sleep point turn-based combat just like a Final Fantasy game basically except you okay
I'm not gonna get into the combat mechanics. So
Sleep points allow you to interrupt turn-based combat and act at any time
So you can earn them either by leaving the game on with your DS and sleep mode plugged in
Presumably so it doesn't drain the battery for eight hours per sleep point or you can buy them
and so basically you can buy the ability to like
Go until the enemy dies kind of thing
That to me is a lot more obnoxious than something like a little bit of tastefully applied in-game advertising. So like
Yeah, anyway, okay. Go ahead. Good
He has a point and however, they end up doing it. Who knows personally
I would like the I don't mind product placement to be completely honest ad block you less
And like okay another thing that cliff Blensky brings up is the possibility of
Some sort of proprietary system which everyone freaked out about and he's hopefully completely wrong and super off-base because that's super dumb
yeah, but another thing that came out of that was the possibility of like maybe when you boot up your computer you load like the
oculus store or something right and the oculus store is kind of like steam but has
VR capable games you can buy other stuff like that and there could be other applications
This whole system or even an oculus store from within steam or the way we've seen in video integrate their Tegra zone store
Within Android that allows you to shop the Google Play Store
but a
Tailored version of the Google Play Store I'd be totally okay with and it makes sense because steam has actually been fairly or valve has been
Fairly recently talking about allowing different companies to have their own stores on steam
So that makes an incredible if you're cynical your cynical take on that was maybe they just don't feel like managing it anymore
Yeah, but maybe they're just like
They can just do whatever the heck they want
We'll still scrape all the money and it's fine whether or not you think that's positive or negative
That could allow something like oculus to have their own and compatibility store
It's actually there and then maybe you can if that's a thing maybe could unofficially inject
Accio, what was it called ad block you list ad block you list. Yeah, if you could integrate that in some way
I
Don't know the the cliff blinsky thing is really long and I preferred other sorts of information
All right, so Mark Zuckerberg's actual post on Facebook, I think
clarified a lot
So I'm just gonna go ahead and post this now this this is interesting because a massive amount of people as far as I can
Tell don't really trust Mark Zuckerberg, even if they like Facebook, really?
so this despite being
Kind of positive for the people that may have been negative in the beginning a lot of people have been pretty sketchy about but it's interesting
Nonetheless and hopefully we can hold them to the things that he says in here. So here we go
Yeah, hopefully there's some accountability
Yeah, so he starts off by saying
Immersive gaming will be first and oculus already has big plans here that won't be changing and we hope to accelerate. I
Don't even care what side of the fence you're on. That's good
Like this has happened. We can't reverse it now
We have to take the good that we can and that is good
We're focusing on helping oculus build out their product and develop partnerships supporting more games to support more games
So again, we're gonna have to move a little faster here at six. Oh god
Oculus will continue operating independently within Facebook
And they want to achieve that blah blah blah whether or not that ends up becoming a thing or not
Although right now it does seem like it's going to be and I'm sure karmak would have a ton to say if that doesn't it
Staving a thing. So we'll see how that goes
I'm trying to skip over things
There's just some he talks about potential uses that I'm not gonna directly quote this because I already talked about it earlier
Yeah, okay. Yeah
Okay, so let's move on to all the potential uses yeah
Yeah, we talked about things like using it as a way to connect with other people and yeah
But he also brings up like a medical applications court side seats at games something that I've talked about that
I'm really excited about with VR already. Yep
Okay, so so then we move on to Palmer's reddit and this is incredibly long and already chopped down a lot
Despite the fact that we're gonna be skipping a bunch of things
So I actually recommend going to his user account and checking his message log because it is very interesting a really easy way to track
the whole conversation
He's been asked a whole bunch of questions. So these are some answers
You will not need a Facebook account to use or develop for the rift. That will not be a thing
He has said that so far. Of course, he's no longer running the entire company
So it's kind of a problem, but I'm sure there you would know anyways
People have been this is a little bit messed up
Anyways, people asked if I ever see Facebook branding on anything. That's not optional. I'm done
He says that's not really reasonable in a literal sense, but he understands what the guy's trying to say
I think that comment spouted from the Facebook branding on the oculus idea, right?
Yeah, not necessarily like a Facebook style the oculus app store deal something like that, I'm not I'm not sure that was a little bit shady
anyways
If I see any ads on anything that I've already paid for I'm done Palmer says which makes a ton of sense as a developer
Decision they're not gonna be injecting things necessarily
It's not their decision if someone wants to sell the game with built-in ads
They will have to deal with the natural consequences of you not buying it. He didn't say that, you know buying it part. But yeah
Just promise me we there will be no specific Facebook tie-ins
He says I promise which is good
He talks about it more
It's saying would you rather me sell to someone like Microsoft or Apple?
So they can tear the company apart use the pieces that we have to build their own vision of virtual reality
We talked about this earlier
One that fits their current strategy they have not a chance so you can tell that he believed in this acquisition at least some amount
The
Key points that he brings up to is we can make custom hardware. We brought this up earlier
Yeah, we can afford to hire everyone we need we brought this up earlier
We're gonna talk about this a little bit further on and we can make huge investments in content
So the only thing that I've really seen them do it in a big form was EVR
Eve virtual reality Valkyrie, which looks amazing. So hopefully there's more of that kind of stuff in the future
Another thing that you should go read into is car max tweets again
I guess I'm not gonna jump into these two in-depth because this show could probably go on for four hours
And I'll just talk about it more in the after-party. So be sure to show up for that. I
Like Carmack Carmack is a really good guy and one of the things that he posts up on there
Let me go to his Twitter real fast
Was I would expect Facebook not to exert any
Overt control over oculus unless oculus fumbles badly a few times at which point they should that kind of makes sense
And he asks people what are the hazards?
What should be what should be done to guard against them and what are the tests of failure blog and I'll read so if you guys
Have opinions talk about it and they will pay attention. That's very cool. Anyways jumping forward off of car max tweets
We talked about some of those early on as well oculus hires Michael a brash
This is huge and this I think honestly there was already a twist towards the positive
Yeah, and then this happened and then everyone was just like so this was today
Yeah, like huge positive outcome when this happened some people freaking out saying that now valve is ruined
But I don't think valve ever intended on releasing anything anyways
Yeah, so I think it makes a lot more sense that he's now working for oculus
So he was working on VR at valve. Yeah for context. Yeah a brash and
Carmack worked together in the past on some really big things and they're both very happy that they're coming back together, which is really cool
They met in 1994 1995 and worked on stuff like quake which is kind of a huge deal
I'm gonna skip over a bunch of this again. Let's just go ahead and post the link here
You guys should definitely check this out. Yeah, it's the thread on on oculus is actual website
So now people have been talking about canceling their pre-orders and I don't know what I'm gonna next topic or riot
Starting in one minute you guys got another minute to do that because of the delay
Any more of that you will be permabanned and we are not lifting bands anymore. So give it a rest
Do you want to cancel your terms or sorry? Do you want to cancel your order?
There's terms that we can post that'll be in this doc
Are you sure you want to cancel though?
There's been a lot of people
Trying to cancel and then trying to stop their cancel so they can keep their spot in line
You can cancel your pre-order before it's shipped. So you have a while still so don't worry about canceling
Immediately if you're thinking about it, you can kind of sit on that topic or just go and cancel it
Although careful because it's an email cancellation. It's not like an automated one
So it might take a little while for them to reply just hold in there
Yeah
and you'll lose your spot in line and you'll lose your spot in line something interesting to bring up is the photo of
their like Facebook kind of thing that they had at their old HQ, which if you zoom in really closely says
Warning Facebook may cause loss of time poor work ethic obesity social disorders and possible interference of destiny use at your own risk
And then the Facebook thumbs up, which is hilarious
Goes to show you just what their attitude was towards
Facebook the website if not Facebook the company. Yeah
Oatmeal made a joke. We're basically at the end now oatmeal made a joke about this apparently a year ago
Which I'd never seen until earlier today, which was talking about
Strapping Facebook to your face. Essentially if you actually go look at it. There we go
So he talks about essentially like the world around me is so very very loud
It begs me to slow down to sit down introducing Facebook for your face. I
like it
and then saying eventually we'll just like lay down and die which is
Kind of hilarious and then yeah, I'll talk about it more in the after-party, but that's essentially what happened
You're gonna talk about this more on the after-party. I just skipped like okay
so when the news first came out, we we knee-jerk reaction we created this shirt and
It wasn't ready because district lines kind of applies kind of slow sometimes. So here's the shirt
So it just says it's it's an oculus eye. So it's actually it's not even the oculus eye
It's just somewhat similar because we don't want any trademark infringing things on a shirt like this
So it just says I dislike Facebook in the context of the stuff that's happened over the last couple of days
So district lines took a while for this shirt to come out
And so by now so much positive news has come out around it that I think neither Luke nor I are feeling quite as down
Yeah, so now like well like there were concerns like they were gonna rebound rebrand it based on that New York Times article
Which still hasn't been pulled down? No, which is interesting to me anyway
So if you still feel strongly about the whole thing if we sell like 50 of them
Then I'll still print it
Otherwise, I'm gonna cancel the order and I think that cost me like 15% restocking fee
But I it doesn't feel as relevant to me and things have literally changed
Yeah, a lot has changed since we created this shirt another way to look at it
I'm probably still interested in kind of getting one is I still like oculus and I still don't like Facebook
Disliked Facebook before this whole situation and I still dislike Facebook that doesn't change
So if you guys want it order it if you don't we're not making it. So there you go doesn't matter
okay, and now everyone can rejoice because the oculus topic is over and we're moving into our
sponsors for today
So sponsor number one. Hey, we're gonna oh, that's the wrong one. Well, it's still Intel but slightly more different self
Linus media group is going to PAX East
It's going to be Luke and Brandon and this is mostly just a call out. Did I say Brandon?
Well, I can probably go talk to them there to where who what oculus?
So Luke and Brandon will be there covering the show there will be actually I
Feel this is a good opportunity to promote this there will be a build-off
Between the one and only slick PC and the one and only Paul's hardware. So Paul from new egg TV
They will be doing a PC build
Showdown and I can't promise that there won't be any high jinks or shenanigans
Throughout the entire thing both the Linus media group and new egg TV crews
Will be filming the event and it will be streaming live on twitch TV
Due to a partnership between new egg and twitch TV. And of course, we love twitch TV as well
We happen to be streaming there right now
Although I don't have to endorse twitch TV in any way
Maybe I'll just say negative things about them just in case John is watching right now, which sucks John
Anyway, so twitch will be streaming it live which means that there will be no opportunity for any high jinks to be not streamed
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Now everyone knows that something anyways, no, maybe nothing will happen
Maybe I'm just trying to get them to watch so that I get my big fat paycheck from Intel
It could it could be it could be that overt
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Stay tuned. Our other sponsor is hotspot shield and hotspot shield has kind of an interesting thing going on right now
They want you to design their new slogan
So I'm just gonna see if I can actually find it. Dang it
I should have had the link ready before but hotspot shield is
Allowing you to come up with a new slogan and what they're doing is they are giving away a bunch of elite
Accounts as a way to promote the contest
so
hotspot shield is the easy way to set up a VPN their elite service in particular is the one we recommend the
complaints that I've seen about hotspot shield on the form of wherever else tend to be about their ad
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It's basically
Triplicating the amount of data being transferred back and forth if you go to a website
Instead of hotspot shield or instead of you just communicating directly to the website. Well, I guess duplicating. Sorry
Okay, so instead of you just communicating directly to the website
There is an intermediary hub and that's gonna be hotspot shield server
So you send data to them they forward it to the website and then it goes that way back again
So sorry doubling doubling the data being sent back and forth
So that means there is an actual bandwidth cost
Associated with a VPN. That's all there is to it a VPN
That is free will be ad supported or supported in some other way
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It's super easy to set up and VPNs allow you to hide who you are and where you're from from the websites that you're visiting
Because all the traffic looks to them as if it's coming directly from hotspot shield
It allows you to circumvent geographical restrictions in this way
So if you wanted to watch, you know us content and you're in the UK or UK content
You're in the US
all you do is configure hotspot shield to
Tell the website where you're from somewhere other than where you're actually from you can go ahead and get around things like firewalls or censorship
So that's one of the things that's really good for and I have finally located the link for the redesign the slogan
Contest so you can go ahead and it's actually on Facebook
LOL someone has also told me that the contest is apparently over. No, I think it runs till April 4th
All right, something like that. Well, then I guess they're wrong. I don't know
I just saw someone in the twitch chat be like
Okay, well they told me April 4th, I guess if it's over tell you what if it's over guys
Let me know and I'll arrange some giveaway elite codes anyway, and we'll do like a giveaway on the forum or something cool
So there you go. My misunderstanding could turn into free hotspot shield accounts
We actually did a giveaway a little while ago. So guys try it try out the the trial
You don't actually have to start paying for it right away. You can just get a trial at bit.ly slash HS share and
If you like it then let us know and we'll we'll see if we can arrange for something to happen
Even if I might have totally screwed that up
All right, so moving into our next topic here that is not
oculus
Titan Z
dun dun dun
You know what I don't even okay Titan Z is
Moderately interesting and the people are upset that Nvidia is branding this as a gaming card
But it'd be okay. Yes, it says g-force
Yes, it has Titan branding the most recent of which to contain that branding was marketed sort of as a
gaming card
But this is not a gaming card
Jensen came right out and said this is for people who want a supercomputer next to their desk
It is it doesn't make any sense for a gamer to buy a Titan Z
He didn't say that part because you know, I think in his statement was more along the lines of I mean if gamers want to
Buy it then great then doing great
But I mean Titans been selling like hotcakes, but it's mostly intended for CUDA developers
The only advantage of Titan over something like GTX 780 TI
So we're talking about the single GPU versions is the double precision performance of Titan
Which is only useful in a production environment a coding environment
Double precision doesn't mean your games run more accurately
No game takes advantage of the aim better. Yeah, you'll aim better
So do you combine that with aimbot and a sniper button and like flames painted on the side of your PC?
Why not speed holes speed holes?
So Titan Z is not a gaming card. Why is it?
$3,000 it's
$3,000 because the kind of work it is intended to be used for
Would allow a budget of
$3,000 to spend on a compute card for it. That's why it has 12 gigs of RAM
So 6 gigs per GPU and it's intended to allow a higher density of
GK110 graphics cores to be installed in a single machine in a desktop type work environment
it is not a gaming card, but
Because it happens to be geforce and it will use geforce drivers
You can game on it if you want a quad SLI GK110 experience
You'll just have to pay more
but that same experience would be available to you if you bought four GTX 780 TIs for a grand total of
$2,800 and that would cost you six grand in
Titan Z's and you will get the same performance unless you really need the six gigs of frame buffer per card in which case you
Could still buy four Titans and water-cool them and spend like $1,500 less anyway
It's not a practical solution. It wasn't intended to be the internet needs to get over it
Oh, there's a couple things so for context. Oh wait, so yeah
Old Titan was something I think a non tech is estimating that it'll be clocked at around 700 megahertz based on the based on the
Gigaflops or teraflops or whatever that Nvidia is quoting so that would be well below the performance of the Titan black
So not only would that other solution be cheaper. It would also perform better
this is something that really just kind of I
Part of me is outraged and part of me is like yeah, this makes sense
Asus has a gaming
branded
B85 board
So this is an Intel LGA 1150 board. It supports, you know for dim slots
Supports dual graphics cards. It's got better on board sound and like like it's got like a gamer-friendly
Color scheme. It's not cold, but it is not
Overclockable the b85 chipset does not support overclocking at all
So
I would love to see you guys hit us up with a straw poll
Current audience is gonna like this too much
I don't think they will either but yeah
I have I have okay our
Discussion though while we wait for the straw poll results is that there's probably a large amount of people that aren't gonna overclock and want
To buy a gaming board is your is your CPU overclocked?
Actually technically right now it is. Okay. Well mine's not I know and mine wasn't not that long ago
It doesn't really matter right now. My graphics card is definitely when star citizen launches
I will overclock the snot out of my CPU my graphics card is overclocked like crazy
But I don't like yeah, I know not my CPU
So there you go that that's that's the that's the cold hard truth is not every gamer is an overclock or an enthusiast and for
so long
Clocking boards were lumped in with gaming boards because the assumption was that gamers were tweakers
But most of the hardcore gamers I know are not that into the hardware. Well, my
gamers not
like
My reason is I have a profile locked in for my CPU that I have a multiple profiles. Actually. I have my like my stock
my like low overclock medium overclock and like
Ridiculous overclock and I have it currently on like a medium
Which is not really pushing it that hard right because my ridiculous one is insane
But when star citizen starts really pushing my computer, I'll just be like click lol, but then the lifespan of that CPU is gonna go
Because I'm pushing it way too hard and I know that all right Nvidia looks beyond Maxwell
This is posted on Hardware Connect. So actually for a while
They were saying Volta was coming after Maxwell
But now they have removed Volta from the roadmap and replaced it instead with Pascal
Which is gonna deliver unified memory 3d memory and NV link and I'm actually not sure
Which is the most interesting out of all of these things? So 3d memory has been talked about for a while
It's gonna be instrumental of Pascal and video claims
They will be able to provide several times greater bandwidth, which is gonna be incredibly important for resolutions beyond 1080p
They're saying more than twice the memory capacity and quadruple the energy efficiency and when you look how energy efficient
Maxwell is already
We could be looking at some seriously powerful hardware in very small spaces
Powering like cloud gaming experiences within the home or whatever else the case may be talked about that a lot last week
The other big one to me is NV link. So here's a little picture. That's also courtesy of Hardware Connects
Thank you Hardware Connects for posting this. I love you Mike
Showing what NV link will be exactly so we're not necessarily expecting
NV link to replace. Oh, you guys can't see that part of the traffic. I'm sorry. There we go. It's really okay
Well, whatever my mouse my mouse is here. So there's a little PCIe link labeled here
So it's not gonna replace PCI Express or anything
But NV link will be an efficient way for the GPUs to communicate with each other
So it would replace the current SLI bridge much like AMD has done with X DMA on their
R9 series cards on the very very high in the R9 290 series cards
but this will
Augment PCI Express allowing the GPUs to communicate with each other and again not just for crossfire or SLI type dual graphics
functionality but instead for
Compute functionality giving them a much more efficient means of working together
We get there and video saying this is going to be twice as efficient as PCI Express
3.0 and they call it feeding the appetite for big data. So
You know how much better could graphics cards work together in terms of frame pacing or whatever else if they had super high-speed
Interconnects if they had you know double the memory bandwidth or several times the memory bandwidth to work with
Well, also hopefully this will help with just chopping in general crappiness that comes along with multiple GPU setups
Yeah, so that maybe we will all kind of embrace it more and that's probably what they're going for
Way better. All right, so more bad news for Bitcoin
Vercure X has just gone
Insolvent that was about four days ago
So they're basically the funny thing about what they're doing is at least they're being a bit more communicative about it than mount gox was
But they're saying okay
well
we can either just shut down now because we're like out of bitcoins or
We can try to continue operating and then like pay that back slowly
But if we just shut down now
We're just not gonna be able to pay it back at all
And then one of the advantages of bitcoins up till now is that taxation on them hasn't been very clear
Well new IRS rules in the US
Anyway
Are now considering Bitcoin a property so now it's property
So you will pay taxes on it in much the same way as you would another
Investment or capital assets such as well property so land or anything else like that
So a payment made using virtual currency will be subject to information
Reporting to the same extent as any other payment made in property
I don't know if you guys know this but technically if I'm here in Canada
Anyway, if you make a deal with someone that is a barter agreement
So if I say, you know, I'll fix your computer to a plumber and the plumber says, okay
I'll fix your sink. We should both be reporting and paying taxes correctly on
The base value of what those services would have been the laws are very clear about this
So cryptocurrency has existed on this sort of we don't know what to do with this cloud for a little while
That's not the thing that's gonna be happening anymore
All right, which isn't to say that it will necessarily be enforced everywhere. It just means that
You'll be legally responsible for it not having been enforced
Yeah portals coming to shield which there's not a whole lot else to really say about this other than
It's happening now and video has been saying hey guys, we're gonna deliver last-gen
Console grade experiences on handheld. They've been saying that for what's happening now
Cuz portal that's a last-gen console game and valve will be porting it to
Android
So their their blog post is actually pretty darn interesting. You guys should have a read of it later on
I'm just gonna post this in the twitch chat
Boom you guys should check that out. Very very cool. Not that relevant to me or really to anyone in general
Who owns a shield necessarily because you already have game stream
Which is already definitely a good enough experience to play portal with I played through the entirety of portal to on
Nvidia shield using game stream. I didn't touch my PC for the entire game actually quite enjoyed it. I just finished it
I tell you that. Yeah. Yeah, really good
Obviously nothing compares to portal one
It's good though, like I didn't have really asked for much more nope good game and the steam workshop
Maybe enjoy but because you can just download custom maps. I don't even really enjoy
Solving portal puzzles that much you just like the storyline. I just really enjoyed the the atmosphere and the humor and the story
GLaDOS is a fantastic character
With or without Caroline, so yeah, really really enjoyed it. No one wants to hear about ancient games though more about shield
So here are the release notes of their upcoming firmware update or well. Oh, what the hell is this?
Oh, I guess this is old release notes where you'll can stay tuned in a few days
There are gonna be some new fantastic release notes because shield in the short
Nine or ten months or however long it's been on the market has evolved significantly
From kind of a nifty Android gaming device that had this weird like PC streaming feature in beta
That actually worked pretty well at launch, but is better now to something that is a very
Compelling gaming platform compared to pretty much anything else that you could buy from a handheld gaming perspective
So now on top of game stream on top of the Tegra zone store where you can buy Tegra optimized games
Game stream works outside of the house Nvidia has said on the conference call that we were no you weren't on it
I was on it. You had to talk to Newegg TV, huh?
Anyway, I was talking to in video. Well, he was talking to Newegg TV
So Nvidia is saying you're gonna need a strong
mobile
Network connection or whether you're on someone else's Wi-Fi like if I'm at the office here and I want a game stream something at my
House you're gonna need five megabit up and down in both places for optimal communication between the devices
Or I mean they've even said you could do it on, you know 4G LTE
But you're gonna need five megabit up and down on both ends for a good experience and the way it works is
Pretty similar to grid beta. Have you tried that yet?
Yeah, no, I asked you last week. It's on your shield already
Oh no, I wiped it before I gave it to you. Okay, check it out. Try grid beta. I also have to install that access point
So streaming from Nvidia's servers down in California to here works like you can play Street Fighter
So anyway game stream works outside of the house
Wake on LAN and remote login support is coming
So this is a great feature for people who don't want to leave their PC on all the time or like the number of times
I've been in bed and I'm like, yeah, I want to first of all my computer's asleep
get up and go turn it on and
Log in go back to bed play my game. It's like well if I wanted to get up I would have gone and played on my
computer so
That's being addressed. No install mobile team viewer on your yeah, I could but I'm just like
And that wouldn't help with wake on there. All right, no notebook GPU support is coming
So you'll be able to game stream from your GeForce Kepler based GPU a laptop
Which is very exciting for folks who have notebooks
Bluetooth keyboard and mouse support is coming in console mode
The new Tegra zone has been redesigned to help you find compatible games even better
Although I almost never touch Android games on it. They all kind of suck
I mean no offense to Android games, but like compared to PC games that I can play on the thing
My shield almost never leaves my home. I just play PC games on it
It's gonna get Android 4.4 KitKat better FPS and bitrate controls much like what valve has been adding to in-home streaming
You're gonna be able to say, okay. I want this bitrate. I want this FPS and you're gonna have much more granular control
They have a better gamepad mapper with a more intuitive UI
so you can take Android games if you play them and then you can remap your buttons to the screen in an even better way and
For a limited time. It's only 200 bucks
So for a month Nvidia shield is $200 and at that price, I think it's a great value
I would buy one. I'll say that outright. I've even just watched the videos on it
It's a lot easier to manage especially while you're in bed than your phone. Oh, yeah, we haven't talked about this
Is it a tablet?
Yeah
I
Use it like a tablet because I was able to just like kind of prop it up and you've never even been sold on the whole
Tablet concept. Well, I'm still not sold
Okay, but another thing that I'm really excited for is when hearthstone gets moved to tablets right phone phones
So that I can install it on my shield that will make shield so much better cuz hearthstone
I've always been like this is really cool
But I want to be playing something a little bit heavier while I'm at my computer and say this cuz this is just weird
Whereas if you're like just in bed, I'm just like I'm chillin but can't sleep yet
It's like I play a card game like hearthstone ours. What's fun? It's just
Sitting on my computer. I'm just like I love shield for $200. That's a no-brainer for me
Okay, so Nvidia
Also talked a lot about DirectX 12 on McCall and some of this stuff was pretty relevant
So I teased this at the beginning of the show but
Mantle support is not coming to Nvidia GPUs near you no matter how open AMD makes the platform
And I don't care anymore
The mantle hype train like I think it was to me both, you know what I'm gonna criticize both of them right now
AMD really mismanaged the mantle hype train in much the same way that Nvidia has mismanaged to the g-sync hype train both
Really cool technologies looked really important talked about way too early
No follow-through yet. I mean g-sync monitors are coming but
G-sync monitors need to be ubiquitous
every monitor needs to be a g-sync monitor anything branded to gamers needs to be a g-sync monitor and
Pricing needs to be reasonable and we might see that in a year or two years
And then mantle same thing. It needs to be everywhere or it's not gonna make sense at launch. Yes, so
Nvidia made some really interesting points about DirectX 12 so
79% of the DirectX 11 GPUs according to the steam survey support DirectX 12 while
39% no, it was less than that. I thought it was like 11% support mantle or something
Oh, no, 39% of the DirectX 11 GPS would know that math isn't right. Okay. These are old notes. I'm sorry
they updated the numbers, but it was like much much lower support mantle and
Start they're saying star swarm is better with the new 780 TI DirectX drivers than the 290 X with mantle
So there's a new driver coming
Those really properly compared GPUs. They are not quite but it depends on the pricing of 290 X
Yeah, it's enough money in North America. It's
It's enough better than 290 X that even at MSRP. They're about equal in terms of price to performance
So if DirectX 12 or even DirectX 11 updated driver can be equal to what AMD is already delivering with mantle in star
So I was saying the other way around those 70 TI is unproportionately expensive. Is it not?
No, because it performs a little better and it's a little more expensive than a 290 X 290 X is 600
780 TI is around 730. Is it really everywhere? I don't know
I this is just based on the lowest prices I could find for both of them on new egg
Yeah, but what I said this RP though, that's not jacked up prices. Okay. Yeah, it's all good. Everything's okay
so if they can deliver the same performance with the new DirectX 11 driver that AMD can deliver with mantle on a
admittedly mantle optimized benchmark and
DirectX 12 is going to improve things even further then
yeah, unreal engine 4 will support DirectX 12 and
Nvidia says they've been working on DirectX 12 for four years
So this isn't a knee-jerk reaction from Microsoft like ignoramuses like us might have assumed when we went
Oh, I guess they're talking about DirectX 12 so early because they're reacting to mantle
Nope, not so much. So there you go guys, whatever ends up happening
We're probably all gonna be gaming on Windows for the foreseeable future
Unless I mean a lot of good news came out about OpenGL last week as well
Or somehow mantle figures things out or I don't know I
Think we're probably gonna be pretty much done here. Let's do two more
So our better than Bieber segment this week
We need music that goes along with this
Is that the Titanic 2 is coming to?
Actually, no, it's real. It's not it's not it's not a movie. It's not a game
This was kind of weird new cruise ship to be built by eccentric
billionaire Clive Palmer and will be as
His has accurate to the experience of the original Titanic as
Makes sense or probably more so so the third class passengers will be in like cramped horrible rooms
Before be below water level and the first class passengers will be in these opulent beautiful
mahogany
Just like the original Titanic
Palmer did when when asked about
Unsinkability, hold on. Let's just see if I yeah when asked if about unsinkability
He did not go as far as to call it unsinkable a jinx famously applied to the original vessel
Anything will sink if you put a hole in it Palmer joked
and they are expected to
to set sail in
2017 the ship is currently being built in China. It's kind of I don't even know what
If you were gonna go on a cruise, no
It don't care at all. Okay. Yeah, you were gonna go on a cruise. Would you go on a cruise on a Titanic replica? No
Okay, so I'm gonna pay so little that I'm gonna get stuck in the crap chute underwater level. I'm gonna hate it
I'm not gonna care about the experience of living in like essentially a jail cell at the bottom of a boat and
I'm just gonna be like this is super dumb. Is it that different from working here? No
hahaha
All right, really important law change in the UK
Disc media ripping will be legalized this summer in the UK. This was posted on the forum by
Matheus Sanzo and the UK government has published a guide informing consumers that an upcoming revision of copyright law will
legalize CD and DVD ripping for personal use
Good
That wasn't even a slow clap. I'm sorry if that came across was it like very satisfied
That was like this should have happened 100 billion years ago. The original source is torrent freak here
It's coming into effect in the June July timeframe and the law is still very clear that if you make a backup
It is for personal use
It is not for you to put on a you know
Like server that you rent somewhere and then give everyone in your dog access to that's not what this law change is intended for
You can still sell your physical media, but you will be expected to delete all of the backup copies
You're still very much expected to buy media
But you will be allowed to play it back on any device you own
This is so weird right now
Like some of the laws going around about this because like you buy a song and then it's like the only medium you can play
It on iTunes is iTunes or like if you buy a physical copy of the disc in a lot of places
It's like good luck carry on a CD player with you
Yeah, like they're like no you you can't copy it to your mp3 player because that's another copy
Yeah, so I'm happy that something like this stepped in I mean people do it anyway like it's gonna happen
But you might as well legalize it so we can stop seeing discussion on it about it anymore and like what's his name's mom?
Going to jail for 80 billion dollars because her son downloaded five songs like this stupid
Well, that's different. That's we're I know
Okay, not downloaded then copied off of his own thing. It doesn't matter right the same thing happens
Yeah, we're tired of this whole thing and people that didn't actually do anything wrong wrong
I mean, I I think there's still gonna be some debate because what about families?
Is my wife allowed to listen to my song?
But then like your wife is allowed to wear your shirt
Yes, but the law says it's for personal use and they specifically say not to give friends access is my wife my friend
Are my kids my friends? I don't know
I mean valve is opening up family sharing for games, which is really cool, which is really cool
But that doesn't mean that this law allows like, you know
If I if I play this song at a party, is that a public demonstration?
Did I own the rights for that like all that stuff is still very gray area in terms of ownership
But you know like because they specifically say if you have like a NAS you can't give your friends access to it
And to play back this media. Yeah, but like my family is gonna have access to my NAS. Yes
So so yeah, that's weird. All right. Well, I think that is pretty much it for the show this week
I was planning to do my first impressions of the HTC one m8, but I think we've somewhat run out of time
I will have a review coming so far
I'm actually pretty impressed with some things that I wasn't expecting to be impressed by I have
42% battery on it having used it quite heavily
Normally my old one runs out during the show
Because I'm using navigation to like go run errands on my way back from NCIX and I'm on my phone like
constantly at NCIX cuz I don't bring out my computer there to you know
Read the the document for when showing all that kind of stuff and I have 42% right now, which is pretty impressive. The camera is
actually quite strong
In spite of the lack of you for straw poll results, but do you even have that link still? Yeah, I probably do actually
I'll grab that. Sorry about that guys
The camera is really really strong. The build quality feels even more solid
I think it's gonna be a bit of a mixed bag in terms of how people perceive it when I went to the Bell store
Last night to get a nano. So, okay, I guess I'm doing my first impressions of the MA
All right, so when I went to the Bell store last night
I I said I needed a nano SIM and they were and they were like, oh, why do you need one of those?
Did you get an iPhone and I was like no
I that's for this and I pulled out of my pocket like everyone in the store who worked there was like
Like ran over and came and looked at it and the reaction was very positive there to the metal
Seamless backing
Whereas some people are complaining that it's too slick and almost
Plasticky looking like I showed it to someone at NCIX today who was like, oh well
Why would they take metal and make it look and feel as much like plastic as they possibly could?
Overall the construction and the flex of the phone is a very strong point for it
So the metal construction is definitely doing something. It's just whether or not you prefer that or not is up to you
It is a little bit bigger which I'm finding a little bit awkward right now as I go through that transition period again
But it's only about 0.3 inches
The voice quality on it is outstanding. I
Usually comment on voice quality in my reviews and I kind of say well
It's a phone you put one end to your face and the other end to someone else's face
And there's a wireless link between them or something
And it sounds alright, but this one really blew me away with how good people sound
Through the hand through the handset
Blink feed has I quite like sense 6.0 so far. It's really subtle
They haven't it doesn't feel that different from the stock Google UI
Really and maybe part of it is that I started out with sense
Whereas a lot of people started out with with other skins, but I I quite like it
It doesn't get in my way at all
And they've added a few little subtle things like the double tap to wake up is there now
There are some gesture controls that right now are a little bit hit or miss
So for example, if you lift it up and then press the volume button, there you go that launched the camera
But it doesn't work a hundred percent of the time
Camera modes again, very very cool. So you can do things like here
I'm gonna show you guys this because it's actually like quite neat. Okay, so here I'm gonna get Jake the dog behind you there
Okay, and then I'm gonna get up and refocus that so you guys can actually see this so some of the
I'm just gonna point the mic at myself. So some of the camera effects that you can do are kind of neat
So let's just see what be
And there we go. Alright, so here's a picture of this guy
So we're gonna go ahead and edit the picture. So they're refocusing feature
It's not perfect, but check it out. So I could focus on Jake the dog if I felt like it
There you go, and it detects reasonably well what's in the foreground with those dual cameras in the front? That's kind of neat
You can only really apply one effect at a time
Which I was a little bit disappointed with but you can go and you can apply like effects to the background
Obviously, they're gonna need to add more than four of them to make this worthwhile as a feature
But I mean we saw them add more things with their with their gallery viewing features in the past
Some of the stuff is just kind of goofy like let's push like blossoms all over him or something
But this is neat so they have kind of like a parallax effect
So you can see a little
It's mostly faked but it still is like kind of neat you can see the boxes behind them are kind of like
Stuck to his head there a little bit. So so there's that
And then I haven't actually tried touch-up yet, but let's uh, let's do anti shine
Yeah, that's a face
Okay, then. I don't know if I did anything. Okay. Well either way
I think the biggest challenge. Whoops. We're out of focus
I think the biggest challenge for the m8 is gonna be the price because a year ago or two years ago
$700 for a flagship phone was like, okay
That's how much a flagship phone costs whereas now with the Nexus 5 at three hundred and fifty dollars for the equivalent memory model
You better be delivering three hundred and fifty dollars of additional value and the fact that it's missing wireless charging to me is a huge
Knock against it, especially because we're still using micro USB
We're still stuck with the standard and the micro USB port recently failed on my one which I've only had for about a year
So micro USB ports failing strikes again for Linus because he has like the worst
Luck ever or he's a terrible person or whatever whatever your perception of micro USB might be
It doesn't work very well for me and wireless charging is a really good way to not have to wear out the connectors on your phone
Unnecessarily the screen is absolutely beautiful, but we've come to expect that from HTC like it's
Really good
Even though the pixels per inch the the actual pixel density is slightly lower than the old one because of the larger screen and 1080p
Resolution it looks absolutely beautiful. It's extremely snappy
I guess that's pretty much all I have to say for now. So
There you go, all right, oh
I like their new sound scheme sound scheme. Yeah, like the noises it makes when you like do things
Okay, like Samsung's like super stupid one. HTC's was always okay. I like the new one even better cool
Thank you guys very much for tuning in to the WAN show this week
I hope you enjoyed it as much as we did
WAN show oculus edition coming to a theater near you if you thought this was great and you need to see more news on
Oculus, maybe we can do a full feature length
oculus
WAN show and well, I'm gonna be talking about in the after-party because we only actually got through the
like
What happened part we didn't even get to do the our thoughts part
So I'm gonna be talking about a bunch of stuff in the after-party pretty much the entire after-party is gonna be about oculus
So if you want to see anything that's not about oculus, peace out. Don't bother show up. All right guys
Here's the straw poll result that we talked about earlier. I'm interested. Yeah, I'm interested to actually I posted it in the thread
But I haven't actually clicked it yet
There we go
All right, so not overclocked is
39% look at that
Hand overclocked greater than 1 gigahertz is 22% auto overclocked is 17%
So both of those folks will not really be able to do anything with a b-series chipset
hand overclocked greater than 500 megahertz hand overclocked and under clocked so
40% of you won't give any cares about a b85 board that has all the gaming centric features without any of the
Overclocking centric features even though those two things have been one in the same for so long
Fascinating. Yeah, that is actually really interesting because I still want the option so that I can and I still do it
I just don't necessarily run it all the time. I just switch my profile fairly actively
I just moved to IVE which I've never overclocked before so I'm gonna I'm gonna be playing around with that
Once I take my system home. Oh, my personal rig update is done being edited. It's half an hour long
Did I tell you how long it's more than half an hour
It's like 35 minutes and it has the most b-roll we've ever shot for a video. Yeah
What was the data size on that again?
Hey Brandon, are you still here?
Ah, how many gigs of b-roll did you shoot of my system
86 gigs of b-roll and that's in ProRes 1080p. It is going to be our most beautiful video ever
Something to note actually, I don't know if you guys have noticed this
But if you go back and look at our last couple of Corsair case reviews, we are using a new recording setup
It's still on the Sony FS 700
But it's actually using an external recorder that allows us instead of recording at 1080p
To record at 4k to the internal recorder and then down sample to 1080p
With a much better codec that retains a lot more of the image information. So we're using ProRes now instead of AVCHD. I
Personally noticed a big difference in the sharpness and detail of the footage, but I haven't really seen anyone comment about it
so you guys should let me know if you actually noticed my
How much did that stupid thing cost
Yeah
2500 bucks
Apparently nobody even noticed but but we're not quite at the limit of its capability
There's a firmware update coming that will allow us to record in 4k and then we will start releasing all of our videos in 4k
So yeah
Yeah, that's been coming over so long. I know I bought a 4k capable camera a year and a half ago
And it's still not able to actually do it and still not able to actually well
It could be if I was willing to spend like nine thousand dollars on Sony's solution, which is ridiculous
Yeah, no like not even as good right? Yeah. It's not as flexible. Yeah, so that's stupid. All right. Peace out guys
We'll see you next week. Bye everybody
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